Why do Feminists love to lie about rape?

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MRA: Women are no better or worse than men, which is why we shouldn't blindly believe the claims of either.

Feminist: MRAs say all women are liars!

MRA: What? When did we say that?

Feminist: Also, they eat babies! And fly around on broomsticks casting curses!

MRA: You are hysterical!

Feminist: And they say all women are hysterical! Which is sexist misogyny and word-rape!

MRA: Is there anyone saner I could talk to?

Feminist: Ooh! And they are ableist as well! Everyone! Everyone come and throw their faeces at the horrible MRA!

MRA: Bloody hell, life's too short for this. (*leaves*)

Feminist: Did you see how he was harassing me? I'm so triggered, i can't even. Donations, pls!

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Have a look at the page. The creator of that site loves to fling their filth at MRAs, get a response, then reply to that using it as proof of their victimhood, and then delete the opponents argument... which leaves a very peculiar structure in it's place.

Their goal is to provoke a response, then use Facebook's pro-Feminist harassment policing to shut down the accounts of anyone who dissents. Be aware of that before you comment.

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So I can tell by the influx of MRAs on here that a post has been shared or screencapped on some shitty MRA page. Let me make a few things clear. This is not a debate page. There is nobody here interested in listening to the regurgitated chants of 'you cuck' or 'false rape allegations are epidemic'.

YAWN.

January this year you and your fellow cronies went crying to FB about how WE were harassing YOU. You got FB to remove our page for this reason. Now our page is back up and harassing absolutely nobody you still continue to come here. Are you stupid?

Don't answer that. We already know the answer. But I will repeat this. Comments on this page are all set to hidden until an admin checks them to be seen in public. This means any MRA coming here is wasting their own time since nobody bar admins will see their comment. This measure was taken to prevent trolls and morons who cry about being harassed whilst continuing to poke sticks at people goading them into debate.

"Now our page is back up and harassing absolutely nobody you still continue to come here. "

It turns out that when you slander people, they tend to respond, some with vitriol, others with a more reasoned approach. Of course, that means they are unable to hear any voices outside their echo chamber.

This is what Feminists mean by the newspeak term safespace. They have a space where they can demonise a group, without fear of contradiction, can allege the vilest slurs against them, create the craziest strawmen imaginable...

And because they can never hear anything but their own voice echoing back, they grow further and further from reality.

So what did their page get taken down before for? They were breaking the ToS of Facebook by doxing people. Of course they don't mention it, but a leopard doesn't change it's spots, and I'm sure they'll go back to their old ways.

But it's interesting - that for all their claims - they produce no proof.

"MRAs are murdering all wimminz!"

"I hear MRAs will key your Porsche!"

"I woke up today and I couldn't find my sock. I bet it's them again!!"

"Bloody MRAs!! Stealing our socks!"

They never link to anything but other feminist opinion sites. This has the same credibility as Jehovah's Witnesses 'proving' that Catholics are Satanists by pointing to a JW site that says they are.

I don't have much connection to A Voice For Men nowadays but if you look at their site, by comparison, they usually have a ton of references on each article leading to independent third parties, all of which can be checked. And if you care to disagree, you can. There's no threats, no doxing, no petty censorship.

Also see:

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/dimapur-mob-lynching-victim-was-never-raped-nagaland-govt-tells-mha/

Defining nearly all sex as rape

By Ashe Schow (@AsheSchow) • 12/17/14 1:13 PM

Taxi driver's CCTV lands 'sex attack' liar Claire Carr, 20, in jail

NO WOMAN FABRICATES A RAPE?

“I care about the problems of men”?

“I care about the problems of men” she spat, before singing “Cry me a river” at the news she had sabotaged a conference on male suicide.

Fire alarm pulling is hard work - how many times would she have to do it before the man-babies shut up and learnt their place?


“ I care that the patriarchy tells men that they have to be stoic beasts” she laughed, sipping from her male tears mug. It was hilarious that she could convince the subhuman manbeasts that the pain they felt was their fault.

She hoped that the suicide rate would climb - with male education being destroyed, she couldn’t see how it could do otherwise. Heck, boys were being taught they were scum at school - the future was looking bright!

Maybe it was time to take another holiday? She could threaten to accuse a man of rape if he didn’t pay up - thanks to Listen and Believe, he had no chance if he tried to take it to court.

What was it Mary P. Koss  had said?

“Although consideration of male victims  is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders.

It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman."

p. 206  Detecting the Scope of Rape : A Review of Prevalence Research Methods”

She looked at the photo - she looked so happy! Maybe she had just finished a little not-rape herself?

A Feminist had said that, she was sure of it. It taught them to appreciate how terrible it was that women were raped at all. It was practically an act of charity!

Male 'victim'. She pondered the letters but couldn't make them form words. It might as well have been Egyptian for all she knew. Men who were not-raped could only benefit from the experience.

She'd heard Feminists were trying to abolish jail for the Sisterhood altogether... maybe she could take them up on that, if the suicide rate wasn't climbing fast enough. Cull a few male-scum herself? (*slurrrp*)

“ I care that the patriarchy tells men that they are lust-filled monsters” she typed, giggling, wondering if anyone would believe her words.

She had helped put in place that said that if a man and a woman shared a drink and a screw, the man had automatically raped the woman.

Legally, only the man was able to be responsible - as a lust filled monster.

“ I care that the patriarchy tells men that they cannot be raped” she exclaimed, rubbing herself to thoughts of Mary P. Koss.

Mary P. Koss - the Feminist who kept women from being charged with rape in the USA, oh! and to the thought of the feminists of India and of Israel, who made sure that even if a woman raped her son or daughter, it wouldn’t be treated as rape.

Hmm. Can’t be charged with raping a little girl - she did rather like that book by Lena Dunham.

My mother didn’t bother asking why I had opened Grace’s vagina. This was within the spectrum of things I did.


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Maybe she could visit India with her little sister?

" the patriarchy believes women are too weak and inferior to be dangerous” she squealed, as she banned the accounts of the men’s rights activists campaigning for the equal treatment of female criminals.

That antifeminist thought had to go - Helen Grant, prominent Feminist and MP, had made sure women would never be treated like mere malescum again.

“Feminists did not do this to you, other men did”

Nazis did did not do this to you, other Jews did?

A kapo or prisoner functionary (German: Funktionshäftling, see § Etymology) was a prisoner in a Nazi concentration camp who was assigned by the SS guards to supervise forced labor or carry out administrative tasks in the camp.

Also called "prisoner self-administration", the prisoner functionary system minimized costs by allowing camps to function with fewer SS personnel.

The system was designed to turn victim against victim, as the prisoner functionaries were pitted against their fellow prisoners in order to maintain the favor of their SS guards.

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Further Reading:

Mary Koss doesn’t think women can rape men and boys

Amanda Marcotte, you lying sack of shit.

You claim false rape allegations are as rare as zombie bites?

https://archive.is/PtTgY



The Police have prosecuted people for false allegations. Which you claim cannot possibly exist. Surely you should drop everything and rush to the aid of these poor damsels in distress?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

Hmm. Studies show it ranging from 2-90%. The true number is unknowable - except that it isn't zero, now, is it?

Still, quoting Manboobz as your source means you aren't terribly serious about facts.

I love the way you see a recording of sexual encounters as being a way of enabling rape - so even if a man has a recording of an encounter with a woman going "I want sex" every thirty seconds, you'll turn around and have that man charged as a rapist?

Yup. That's the sort of world you want us to live in.

Amanda Marcotte, you are the biggest recruiting tool we could wish for.

Sexual offence law overhaul to remove the presumption of innocence

Under the changes to sexual offence laws: (archived 1 Jul 2015 07:36:44 UTC from http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/sexual-offence-law-overhaul-to-address-victim-injustices-20150629-gi0m15.html)

• An alleged offender must have a "reasonable" belief that a victim had consented. The new definition means the defendant must detail the steps they have taken to find out whether the victim has consented.
  
  Note: They have no defined standard here for innocence. They have to present what they have and hope it is enough. Do you record all your sexual activity? Is it signed? Are there witnesses to the signing? What about blood tests - she might have been drinking - can you prove she wasn’t? If she was, her consent is invalid. You just should have known.
• Removal of a time limitation that prevented prosecution for some child sex offences committed before 1991
  
  It’s retrospective. You kept all your records of what happened thirty years ago, didn’t you? Remember: no physical evidence of a crime is required. If a woman says “give me thirty grand or I’ll say you raped me”... you better have that thirty K!
  
  "an offender must prove that if they believed a victim was consenting, that belief was not unreasonable". How? Will video recordings and witnesses be required? Some sort of contract? All this is is a license to accuse any man of rape, without a defense.. and I guarantee you no women will be convicted.

What if a "mattress girl" targets me next?

Reblogged from: I don't need Feminism, Thursday, 21 May 2015 at 13:53
Author: --Jonathan



The more I hear about this college and this young woman, the more I am sickened and terrified of attending a U.S. college. It just seems like more and more colleges and universities are kowtowing to the constraints of theoretical-idealist/liberal ideology.

First, this lady claims another student raped her. Then private messages she sent to the student very soon after she had claimed the rape occurred are exposed, showing how much she herself was pining after this student and how much she herself seemed to desire a sexual relationship. So she retracts her accusation, and both the college and law enforcement clear the student of any charges.

But she didn't stop.

For the next two years, she continued to play the victim, creating a melodrama so narcissistically over-inflated that the college, to many onlookers nationwide, has become a laughingstock.

The formerly accused student was subjected to humiliation and mass public shaming reminiscent of a witch-hunt. And the college has continued to make exceptions to their rules for this dishonest, self-absorbed lady, such as allowing her to exhibit her graphic drawings she had made of her supposed "rapist" on campus.

This narcissist is not a victim and certainly not a heroine of gender equality. She herself has victimized the male student and indirectly slapped the faces of other young men (who are made that much more demonized and under suspicion of violent/sexual crime) and of actual rape victims (who are made that much less credible in the eyes of our judicial system and the public at large). Absolutely disgusting.

It just has me worried.

Not about women, because it's not women that are the problem.

It's our culture at large, and specifically campus culture. There are manipulative, dishonest members of both genders, but what if a manipulative woman such as "mattress girl" decides to go after me in the same way?

Will my college step in and make sure she isn't given such a pedestal from which to slander me and encourage the public shaming and slander of me?

Or will they give her ridiculous leniency, allowing her handouts and exceptions from rules so that she can continue to make my life hell?

I want to trust my school, because I can't imagine its authorities not doing anything to punish a student like "mattress girl," but can I know for sure?


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418686/mattress-girl-perfect-icon-feminist-left-ian-tuttle

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/03/columbia-student-i-didn-t-rape-her.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/statement-from-family-of-columbia-student-accused-by-mattress-girl/article/2564790

Editor's note:

Do rape victims send their rapists messages requesting a repeat performance? 

Why did the university take her seriously after this was revealed to them?

Could it be they Listen and Believe any woman who accuses any man?

https://archive.is/p1lCD archived from http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/03/columbia-student-i-didn-t-rape-her.html

On Aug. 29, two days after the alleged rape, Nungesser messaged Sulkowicz on Facebook to say, “Small shindig in our room tonight—bring cool freshmen.” Her response:


lol yusss
Also I feel like we need to have some real time where we can talk about life and thingz
because we still haven’t really had a paul-emma chill sesh since summmmerrrr
On Sept. 9, on a morning before an ADP meeting, it was Sulkowicz who initiated the Facebook contact, asking Nungesser if he wanted to “hang out a little bit” before or after the meeting and concluding with:

whatever I want to see yoyououoyou
respond—I’ll get the message on ma phone

On Oct. 3, Sulkowicz’s birthday, Nungesser sent her an effusive greeting; she responded the next morning with  “I love you Paul. Where are you?!?!?!?!”

Debunk Feminism

Reblogged from http://lady-of-anti-feminism.tumblr.com/post/78622128314/debunk-feminism

I got a lot of this from the amazing oratorasaurus  as well as other amazing antifeminists. I will add as I go along.

“The Wage Gap”

• The Wage Gap is a myth. 1 2
• Women tend to choose majors that pay a lower national median pay.
• Women Now a Majority in American Workplaces
• Labor force participation rate for men has never been lower.
• Women in some cases make more than men.
• And their husbands dont have a problem with it either.
• Women CHOOSE to stay away from STEM field
• There is no STEM gender gap in the U.S
• Women In Tech Make More Money And Land Better Jobs Than Men

Domestic Violence

• Women are perpetrators often as men.
• 286 sources on assaults on partners by women
• Women are more violent
• Domestic violence being equally committed by women, only males get arrested
• Men are over 40% of domestic abuse victims
• Male DV victims are discriminated against
• Gay and bisexual men experience abuse in intimate partner relationships at a rate of 2 in 5, which is comparable to the amount of domestic violence experienced by heterosexual women.
• About 17-45% of lesbians report having been the victim of a least one act of physical violence perpetrated by a lesbian partner (1,5,6,13).
• Men or DV is Not the leading cause of death among women under 50
• More DV facts

Rape Culture

• Statistics doesn’t back up Rape culture
• RAINN debunks Rape culture
• “97% of rapists never see a day in jail” is a myth
• Lesbian on Lesbian Rape
• Inflation of anti-human trafficking statistics
• Men who are falsely accused of rape can have their names published and their lives ruined even if they are not convicted or charged - their accuser is protected and is likely to face no punishment, or a light one.
• Under a recent federal directive, men are convicted of rape in university campuses if the investigating board finds that the chances they committed the rape are at 50.00001% or greater.
• The DOE policy in practice: Caleb Warner was accused of rape and expelled from the University of North Dakota, then his accuser was charged with filing a false report. He remains expelled as of June 2011
• Woman rapes boy, woman becomes pregnant, boy must paid child support.
• 40% of rapists are female  1
• Definition of rape, erases victims of rape who are forced to penetrate, generally men who are forced to have sex with women.
• Men are raped in the military
• Men Outnumber Women Among American Rape Victims
• Male statutory rape victims forced to pay child support
• 59% of the rapists had been heterosexually molested.
• Female Pedophiles Cause Children More Harm, According to Research by University of Bergen, Norway
• males and females carried out sexual violence at strikingly similar rates after the age of 18
• Female-on-male sexual assault is under reported

Mens Issues

• A man is approximately 165% more likely to be convicted than a woman
•  Men are significantly more likely to be the victims of violent crime
• Men and Boys are doing worse in all aspects of the educational system, from kindergarten to university.
• Men suffer from Paternity fraud
• Female business owners get money from the government for being female. Males?no
• Some Airlines, have banned male from sitting next to children because they are men.
• Rape of males in Prison and jail
• Male circumcision is still legal
• Men often coerced into sex: study
• Boy victims of sex trafficking ignored
• Men are 93 % of work place death/violence.
• Eating disorders among men and boys
• Demonization of Male Sexuality
• Catastrophically high suicide male rate
• Literally zero male shelters
• 75-80% of the Homeless are men
• Family courts are bais against men.
• Breast Cancer gets more funding/research/drugs than Prostate cancer despite affecting men at a similar rate of women.
• Divorced men are 40% more likely to commit suicide
• Founder of Canadas only male shelter for abuse forced to close due to lack of funding before committing suicide. 
• Shame men into going to war.

Female Privilege

• Women receive lighter sentences and a higher chance of acquittal, simply for being women   1
• 94% of sexually abused youth in correctional facilities reported being abused by female staff. Only 40% of the staff is female.
• Inmates reporting staff sexual misconduct, ~ 65% reported a female aggressor
• Study of US college women - 12% of the respondents reported ever using any type of force strategy while 43% reported using a coercion strategy and 92% reported using a seduction strategy to initiate sex.
• Mothers kill children at twice the rate of fathers.
• For Every 100 girls..
• Women actually control 80% of household spending, and 51.3% of private wealth.
• Women receive custody in over 90% of divorce proceedings
• Women initiating divorce between 66% and 90% of the time.
• Women make up the majority of college graduates
• School system favors girls starting from Kindergarten
• Female felons should serve home sentences.
• Told judges to be lenient on women.

Feminists being horrible

• Feminists skewed the Definition of Domestic Abuse, resulting in only male abusers being arrested and female abusers not.
• Feminists’s DV training hurts Police training
• The feminist group WAR has petitioned to have the government stop prosecuting women for filing false accusations
• Feminist Mary Koss denies male rape victims.
• Feminists violently protesting against Warren Farrell at U of Toronto
• 17,000 feminists at protest attack and sexually molesting a group of Rosary-praying Catholic men who were peacefully protecting the cathedral in the city of San Juan from threats of vandalism.
• Feminists shut down forum for battered husbands.
• Feminists fought a law for equal custody to be the default if both parents want custody and neither parent is unfit. Multiple times.
• Feminists started a campaign against Father’s rights groups
• Feminists fought against laws granting men anonymity until charged with the crime of rape—not convicted, just charged.
• Feminists fought against a law to end to the justice system favoring women simply because they are women, and giving men harsher sentences simply because they are men.
• Feminist fought against men want equal treatment when victims of domestic violence, and to not be arrested for the crime of “being male” under primary aggressor policies.
• Feminists in India and Israel fought against female rapists being arrested, charged and convicted of rape.
• Feminists fought against a economic stimulus for male-dominated job such as construction, etc.
  
• Feminist fought a law against  Paternity Fraud.
• Hateful Quotes by Feminsts
• Feminist Harriet Harman has publicly requested employers to hire women in preference to White men if both job candidates are equally
• Equality Minister,feminist Patricia Hewitt, was found guilty of breaching the Sex Discrimination Act by “overlooking a strong male candidate for a job in favour of a weaker female applicant”.
• Elected in 2009, the lesbian feminist prime minister Johanna Sigurdardottir has vowed to “end of the Age of Testosterone
• Feminists want to make peeing while standing illegal
• Erin Pizzey had to flee the UK because she and her family received death threats and her dog murdered all because feminists didn’t like that she discovered women were equally as violent as men.
• Also Suzanne Steinmetz and her children received death threats and bomb threats she discovered that  the rate at which men were victimized by domestic violence was similar to the rate for women.
• Richard Gelles and Murray Straus  have all received death threats from feminists, simply for publishing their findings (that female-to-male family violence was equal to the rate of male-to-female violence).
• Feminist attacks male cartoonist and is hailed a hero of feminism.
• Try to shut down female prisons.
• Feminists prevent a meeting about male suicide.
• Jezebel mocks men who are abused.
• Create rape laws that exclude female rapists.
• Make it impossible to charge women with rape.
• Feminists cover up female domestic violence.
• Feminists don’t want the gov to help unemployed men.
• Feminists say men can’t talk about domestic abuse.
• Feminists say Men can’t be raped. 
• Feminists cover up female domestic abuse stats.

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See also:

Debunking 5 common feminists arguments

Nearly half of all rape accusations are false.

Feminists claim that false rape accusations are negligible, and often quote a figure of 2%. So what does science say?

False Rape Allegations: An Assault On Justice

By Bruce Gross, PhD, JD, MBA

http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/archive/spring09/15/

Twenty-seven percent (27%) of these complainants admitted they had fabricated their accusation just before taking the polygraph or right after they failed the test. (It should be noted that whenever there was any doubt, the unresolved case was re-classified as a "proven" rape.)

Combining this 27% with the initial 212 "disproved" cases, it was determined that approximately 45% of the total rape allegations were false.

45%!

As TJ points out in http://youtu.be/irAa7HumWPI, if there's such a thing as 'rape culture', there's also such a thing as 'false rape accusation' culture.

Brian Banks - an innocent man imprisoned for rape

There was no physical evidence that Brian had committed the crime, and prosecutors offered Banks the standard game of “Lifetime Roulette,” where an innocent man is told that asking for a fair trial means that he is gambling with his life.

  Had Banks fought the case and put his fate in the hands of a (probably all-white) jury, he was threatened with up to 41 years.  That makes a plea bargain look good to anyone, even a man who is entirely innocent. (source)

Gibson’s false accusation sent Banks to prison for five years, stripping him of his football scholarship to the University of Southern California. (source)

A Los Angeles Superior Court judge on Friday ordered Wanetta Gibson to pay $2.6 million to the court. (source)

Guess how much Banks received?

So why did she do it? To sue the school. She nearly ruined someone's life so that she could falsely claim the school was not safe.Had the plea bargain gone through, as they usually do, he would end up his days being raped because of a woman who saw him as nothing but a meal ticket, a chance to be wealthy. Not as a fellow human being... less than a dog, even.

He was disposable.

Had he not been able to hire detectives to uncover her crime, he might never have seen freedom, or the ability to work, or marry. Had he lived to see release, he would have been labelled and vilified as a sex criminal, a rapist, unsafe, unclean.

Now he is rebuilding his life.

Banks has become a spokesman for the California Innocence Project, which works to exonerate the wrongly accused.

How many others are not so lucky?

False Rape Accusations

I am absolutely certain that there are rapists in this world. I am sure that there are evil people as I am that the sun will rise tomorrow. I am also certain that sometimes communication breaks down, or that sometimes people have sex and regret it afterwards.

So how many of rape accusations are genuine?

No-one knows.The figures are completely variable, and largely seem to reflect the politics of the source. Even the most sober sources vary from 1 to 90%. This would not be tolerated in any other area of science.

And yet what do Feminist commentators claim?

"The idea that most or even many rape allegations are false is an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence. Those who continue to insist otherwise have forfeited any right to be considered good people." (source)

Now, we know people lie. It is mundane to see people lying about all sorts of matters from who ate someone's lunch at work, to whom committed murder. It is an awfully strange thing to say that lying about rape is an extraordinary claim.

Just look into the cases of Mohammed Asif, Soner Yasa , Elizabeth Coast , Leanne Black,  Linsey Attridge and Angela England.



To ignore these is the opposite of reason. Believe me, or you are evil, and I will shun you. Only a wicked person would disagree with my divine truth.

Let's compare it to the scientific studies:


Rumney (2006)



Rumney's conclusion is that it is impossible to "discern with any degree of certainty the actual rate of false allegations" due to the fact that many of the studies of false allegations have adopted unreliable or untested research methodologies.

That's the sort of information that rings alarm bells in scientific establishments. It means you have to decide the methodology from scratch before doing the testing, and there should be general consensus on both.

Here's another example from "False Rape Allegations" by Eugene J. Kanin:

False rape allegations were investigated from 1978 to 1987. A ranking police official notified the investigators whenever a rape charge was declared false and provided records of the case.

In the study, 41 percent of the total disposed rape cases were officially declared false. The incidence figure was variable from year to year. The data showed that all the complainants were white, largely of lower socioeconomic background, and a majority was modestly educated.

The study of the 45 cases of false rape allegations led to the conclusion that these false charges were able to serve three major functions for the complainants: providing an alibi, a means of gaining revenge, and a platform for seeking attention/sympathy.

This tripartite model resulted from the complainants’ own words during recantation and does not constitute conjecture.

False rape allegations are not the consequence of a gender-related aberration, as frequently claimed, but reflect impulsive and desperate efforts by women to cope with personal and social stress. (source)

We need to apply the same standards to investigation of this matter that we would any other scientific investigation. This is a matter of life and death, of lifelong misery if victims are disbelieved, whether they be victims of false accusations or genuine sexual assaults, male or female.

Update:

Clubber 'cried rape in fit of anger after man took too long to find his car'
https://archive.is/ddkMM
Saved from    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/comfort-yinusa-clubber-cried-rape-5804402

2 Jun 2015 10:00:48 UTC