"Don't you get sick of being told how terrible and awful straight guys are?"

Response to http://myannoyances.tumblr.com/post/108261702446/so-youre-a-straight-dude-and-youre-a-feminist

"  so you're a straight dude and you're a feminist? don't you get sick of being told how terrible and awful straight guys are"
  
  
    Yes, psychologically healthy people do do that. People who have been indoctrinated to loathe their own kind will laugh along and just die a little more every time.
  
" Here’s a few things about when people say stuff like “cis het guys are fucking disgusting.”"

Which is equivalent to saying "Jewish Men are fucking disgusting" or "Black men are fucking disgusting". If those two things are unacceptable then why is the broader category ok? It's because your self-despite is wo overwleming that you don't see that hating all men includes hating Jewish men, Muslim men and black men.

"1. When it comes to harmful comments, being told that cis heterosexual guys are shitheads is the bottom of the barrel."

Is that how it works? You can kick people in the stomach if you decide they have relatively pleasant lives? And you think that's a good idea? I mean, ok, maybe you smile and lick the boots of those who assault you - but if you have a son who is beaten up, you will tell him THAT HE DESERVED IT?

"We never have to deal with our actions being called into questions"

What bullshit. Campaigns about 'manspalining and 'manspreading' and rape culture are constantly on the news, and we are forced to attend lectures on them.

And if we share a drink with a woman, and have sex, she can now legally claim to be unable to consent - as a man, we are held responsible for her behaviour - thanks to feminism.

" and we’re allowed a stupid and ridiculous amount of wiggle rooms with ideas like “boys will be boys.” "


 Which applied to boys being rambunctious. The feminist idea that that applies to violence to women is the exact opposite of the truth. Men traditionally throw themselves in front of women when danger threatens - not the other way around.

Rapists can be murdered on the spot - no other crime is dealt with so seriously.

Men who attempt Domestic Violence on women in public are attacked - by men.

 Men who have DV on them in public? Can find people assist their ATTACKER.

 "We can do things women would get crucified for doing."


What for? Saying Jehovah? What fucking crime exists that anyone is crucified for? Even IS just crucifies men - women are given a cleaner death.

" Sleeping around doesn’t make us “slutty” "

 Asking a woman for a coffee can get you labelled as a creep. Making a dirty joke can get you fired if you are overheard by a woman - who publicly makes dirty jokes.

This is not the 1950s. No-one is checking the panties of the girls to make sure they are virgins. Except in your paranoic imaginations.

 
” Spending a lot of time focusing on our look and style doesn’t make us “shallow,”

No, usually it means you're gay.

" even though neckbeard fedora MRA dickheads have ruined that word."

Oh yes, judging people by their appearance is a terrible thing - unless you do it towards men. You know women are MRAs too, right? No? You think they are secretly men? Lizard people? Robots? What?

"So if a woman wants to call cishet guys gross, it’s kinda like calling a white dude a cracker."

Oh, so you are a racist as well as a misandrist. At least you are consistently horrible.

It's exactly the same as calling a Jewish man a kike, or a black man a nigger. It is an expression of hatred against someone simply for being born.

It's funny how often feminists say misandry doesn't exist, then vomit it up everywhere.

 "You can’t be racist or sexist to the people who are in power"

 You can, and are. Because a gay man has more money than you doesn't mean you can't hurt him by calling him a faggot.

  " because it’s an institutionalized thing."

 According to feminists and no-one else on the planet. Racism is a worldwide phenomenon. It's the cause of genocides. The Hutus and the Tutsis both felt the other was the group in power. It was then used to justify the atrocities. After all, we have to do these things; we're the victims; it's self defense for us to BURN THE CHILDREN ALIVE.

 They are just cockroaches, after all.

 Yours is the face of a hate movement - that has managed to recruit the members of the hated group as it's servants. You are a willing Kapo, happy to push other people like you into the ovens - hoping it will mean that your turn will be LAST.


"2. Here’s the thing. Straight guys are kiiiinda the worst."

A woman killed her seven children and her niece the other day. You think she is better than the best straight man? Fuck me dead, that is some impressive doublethink you have going on right there.

Women were involved in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany. You are such a bootlicker you think they have a fucking halo shining out their arse.

"I’m sorry, but have you SEEN other dudes? Jesus Christ, we’re fucking awful."

Yep. Carl Sagan, Robin Williams, Earl Silverman..What monsters!

Oh yes, I can see why a woman who operates a death camp is so much better than men who cared for others, who were kind, who gave their lives for their children, their parents, their wives

"It’s gotten so bad that literally like 80 percent of the time I’ve begun to talk to a new girl through the internet, dating sites, tumblr or texting, they seriously make a point to say something like “holy fuck I’m so glad you can have an actual conversation.”"

That's where your goalposts are, is it? "All those men were willing to die for the women they loved - but I can make conversation REAL GOOOOD!"

"When I see screenshots of dudes texting it’s so fucking terrible."


This is so brainless I can actually feel my neural network shuttin' down.


"I fucking hate 18 year old me. "

I don't think you stopped at 18, mate.

" I’ve SEEN conversations women have had with men where, once the woman rejects the guy as politely as she can, he immediately turns on her."

Which never happens to gay women, gay men, or straight men. Of course not.

Fuuuuuu...



"... insults her weight, appearance, anything he knows she might be insecure about. It’s horrible and disgusting."

Like calling someone an obese neckbeard isn't?


"we’re taught to think of ourselves as kings who, if the women are lucky enough, will bestow our kingly dick and balls upon them."

You really should tell the homeless man down the street how fucking overconfident he is. The boys who hang themselves? Obviously too much self-esteem is the problem!

Male suicide rate just keeps climbing - I have to wonder if it isn't because of people like you telling them they SHOULD hate themselves?

"This isn’t even TOUCHING the dangerous ideas of the friend zone"

'Dangerous'? I would say more people have been injured by the Macarena. People, men and women, straight and gay, are sad when the ones they love don't return it. Fuck you for shaming men for it.

" I used to be one of those white knight dudes"

Hahahaha oh lawd, me sides, me sides are burstin'!

"3. The most terrible thing to men? IS MEN."

Like you, for example.

"Somehow, MRAs got this idea that feminism is about killing men"

Some of it literally is. Valerie Solanas was pretty clear on the topic. She has fan clubs.

"The Female Man". Best-seller. Still doing well, rave reviews by feminist on Amazon.

But the biggest killer - apart from the jail terms for men falsely accused of rape - apart from the jail terms for men who cannot pay for a child they never consented to produce - who might not even be related to them

- the biggest killer - is the self-hatred.

It's murdered you. You're dead inside. You are a shell living in the service of feminists, living only on self-hatred, living only for the ruin of other men.

You're the Walking Dead, man.


" That just goes to show why feminism has to exist"

In the same way that.. Nazism.. has to exist... because it's a vile hate-movement?

The fact it's appalling means we have to worship it?

Jesus bloody Christ. Did you read the Necronimicon and lose all your sanity points?

" somehow men’s rights activists took a movement about women and made it about them"

No, they took a movement about men and found feminists - like you - attacking them when they tried to talk - like erin Pizzey found out when she had to leave the country on police advice WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU THREATENED HER FAMILY.

Pull any fire alarms lately? I merely ask for information.


" The terrible shit that happens to men? We pretty much do all of it to ourselves."

You really think women are powerless? Women VOTE. Women elect representatives who serve their interests. And Feminist write laws. They make sure only men can be convicted of rape in most countries. They sweep female rapists under the carpet. They hide lesbian DV statistics. This hurts women too, but I guess they don't care.

The ends justify the means. Even if it breaks lives. Even if it means a little girl will be raped by her aunt and never be able to seek justice. Feminists are ok with that.



"First of all, there’s the idea of toxic masculinity."

the feminist idea, that the quality of being male is poisonous - lik the Nazi idea, that the quality of being Jewsih was poisonous.



 "We raise boys to believe that they have to be tough."

 Do feminists raise girls to be tough? How are they doing on those firefighter physical tests by the way? Can't pass them? Huh.

 If the gals aren't going to be tough - just who the fuck is?

 "“boys don’t cry,” we try and tell them. "

 In old movies. But you are right, feminists do tell us we can cry - into their cups - and mock us for doing so.


 "they’re emotionally stunted and filled with anger."

 Men have created epics in prose and poetry, in verse and dance. We're not stunted except in the feminist imagination.

" “boys will be boys,” we say as we write off bad and violent behavior. "

Feminist write off violent female behaviour all the time. They even call for female prisons to be closed, like they did in the UK.

"We’re telling young boys that they aren’t free to express their emotions in the natural way"

No, we are literally not doing that except in your imagination. You have no evidence for any of this shit. You might as well claim Satanists have infiltrated their classes and are back-masking music and playing D&D with them.

" Then, we grant them the freedom to be physically and verbally aggressive to other people."

By punishing them more severely than we do females for the equivalent crimes? How does that even work? No, don't tell me - I don't want to end up barking mad as well.

Even beyond that, MRAs are so quick to shout “things are bad for men too”

Which is their job. to point out when bad things happen to men. You don't quite understand how the rights business works, do you?

"when presented with those ideas, they write them off as invalid."

Anyone - even people who have never heard of MRAs - who knows the principles of logic writes off your ideas as invalid. You assert all these things - without evidence, without critical review, without testing them.

"Whenever we talk about the statistics of women who are raped and how it’s a problem"

A problem that has steadily diminished with time - as many have pointed out, with the availability of pornography and computer games - both of which your side despises.

You morons don't get it. Rape is the most serious crime there is in the west. Different rules apply for accused rapists than for any other accused. The 1500 year old principle of "Innocent until proven Guilty" was even abolished in some cases - because of feminist lobbying.

We are just supposed to "Listen and Believe". The woman points; the man hangs. And you have no problem with that - so long as you get to be the one pulling the lever and not the one doing the jig on the wind.

" if you look on Facebook, as soon as someone posts an article about some 35 year old teacher who raped a 17 year old boy, it’ll literally only be the men who say things like “heh, that boy is so lucky” or “wish I had a teacher like that!”"

Moving the goalposts; you are blaming MRAs for what men do? It's an outright lie, too, as i have argued WITH WOMEN who thought that a woman who does such things should not be punished like man.

You don't seem to have read any of the feminist responses to Inverted Gender who took a case like that and gender flipped it. They had no problem with a female perpetrator - but a male? They wanted his balls hanging from the wall.

"do you know what it means to claim that men are also raped, and then immediately joke about how lucky it is for a man to be raped by a woman?"

No, because I live in reality and not your paranoid fantasies?

"That is why women need feminism."

Because of things that don't exist in reality? Huh, the same reason we need Unicornism I guess.

"that is why I don’t mind seeing jokes about straight(ish) dudes like me on tumblr."

Because of stuff that doesn't happen in real life. Because of stuff you just make up because you use it to justify your hate, to yourself, and to others like you. Because hurting men makes the pain inside just a little easier to bear.

I would wish you poorly but I know your every living breath is a torment - and it will only get worse as your movement weakens.

May your torment be brief.

Response to Claire Solomon, 'journalist'

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/boys-will-be-boys-does-violence-against-women-start-in-childhood/story-fnet08ui-1227237623130

"Boys will be boys — they just love destroying things.”

Oh yes, those evil, evil, boys.. clearly lesbian separatism is the only solution.

Or it's a heap'o'codswallop. Men seem very good at building things. Look around you.

" Her husband was arrested and charged with murder."

Clearly playing with building blocks and killing people are related. They must be confiscated immediately!

"Ms Ismagul was the 14th woman this year to meet a violent end"

No reference cited; for all we know the rest died from cage matches.

"In some cases, children or new male partners also die."

You know a woman killed her seven kids and her niece recently, right? Eight kids? All by herself? How did that happen? Was she allowed to play with lego or something?

"experts see a clear pattern of underlying attitudes that sanction male aggression."

Rubbish. Point me to peer reviewed papers. This is the sort of rubbish that is used to justify banning computer games, pornography and heavy metal music.

Dr Michael Flood, Senior Lecturer in Repeating Feminist Theories He Read on Tumblr ... has no credibility. Nothing he says has been tested or subjected to scrutiny. We are supposed to "Listen and Believe" because he's been given a job as a sociologist? When there's no data, no agreement from the paediatric community or psychiatry in general - he says it, we BELIEVE.

That's not a science, not even a soft one. That's a cult.
"Boys are taught..that women are good for only one thing. "

Which is why men die for women, apparently. Because that's what people do for their rape-toys.

"Many school and community-based programs show good results"

No reference. Might as well claim sacrificing goats to Satan was the cause.

"the cuts to community legal centres, Legal Aid and the Aboriginal Family Violence services must be reversed,” says Susan Fahey, CEO and Principal Solicitor of Women’s Legal Services "

Of course she says that, it's her bottom line that's at stake.

"Michael Flood concludes: “I’m not optimistic we will see a decline in rates of violence over the next decade "

So he has no reason to believe his method will change anything, certainly refuses to provide benchmarks that we can use to assess it's effectiveness - but demands we do it on blind faith.

"FAST FACTS" (aka stuff I just made up which sounds good)

"• More than one in three women in Australia (39%) have experienced violence at the hands of a man since the age of 15"

No reference, no mention of violence at the hands of females - just a slur that males are the cause of all violence.

It goes on for abit like that...

"ent

• 17% of women over 18 have been stalked by a man (ABS 2013)."

Ok, so a survey said they were stalked - not to the point they went to the police... no mention of how many men were stalked, or that women stalk, or a definition of stalking in this context.

" close to half of Australians think men rape because they can’t control their need for sex."

Relevance? What they think doesn't matter because they aren't relevant experts. The people who deal with rapists are - people who weren't contacted because they have nothing to do with the narrative you are pushing.

"Around half believe the lie"

Wooo, careful. Do you know it's a lie?

"that women often make false allegations of rape or domestic violence"

So you wrote this article for a newspaper - but you never read the articles in such things bout women who are caught out lying?

You know women aren't any better than men? No? You think they're better? So much for feminism being about equality (pffft!)

This research took 5 seconds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

Can I suggest you read? No? Not going to? You don't want to read anything that contradicts your dogma?

You do know lesbian domestic violence is more frequent than straight, which is more frequent than gay?

I guess someone gave those lesos too many damn blocks! Ruin'd 'em for life! Shoulda splured on the meccano!

QA (the national broadcaster) claims there's "entrenched misogyny in Australia"?

 There's free legal advice for female victims, for example, and DV shelters. When my friend was being bashed, i checked; none of that existed for men.

I'm hoping it has now changed:

http://www.domesticviolence.nsw.gov.au/what_are_my_options/what_are_my_options/i_want_to_stay_in_my_home_but_end_the_relationship

"work with Police and the courts to remove your violent husband, partner or boyfriend"

Huh. No mention of girlfriend or wife. Not sounding promising.

"Support workers from women’s refuges can help you work out what extra services you need, and link you up with them."

No refuges for men? No support for men?

"If you are a migrant or refugee, please see our section for women from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds"

So when more women are killed - that means we only focus on women - but when a few migrant women are injured - they get special funding - and NO AUSTRALIAN BORN OR MIGRANT MEN GET A PENNY.

http://www.domesticviolence.nsw.gov.au/get_help

"If you would like your organisation’s website linked to this page, please contact the Violence Prevention Coordination Unit, Women"

Huh. Bad luck if you're a male organisation. No help for you, matey.

The bias is so blatant.

http://www.domesticviolence.nsw.gov.au/what_are_my_options/what_are_my_options

"I am an older woman

I am a young woman

I am a young male and I am concerned about my behaviour in my relationship"

So the concept of a woman who might be responsible for DV - it just seems impossible for them to grasp.

Even when a woman slaughters eight children - they will sweep that under the carpet.

I could go on but I think my point is made.

DV is a political weapon. It is used by feminists against men to demonise men. The fact that that places children at risk (women are responsible for most DV to children) doesn't bother them. the fact that means men can't get help - why should they, men are the enemy, who cares what happens to the enemy?

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Bugger. Ok, Blogger is officially giving me the heave ho! Time to look at alternatives.

Update: I think they are just looking for porn blogs - looking over the sit, I can't see anything they can object to - unless it's an excuse to purge everyone doing political blogs that don't toe the 'party line', I suppose.

The Aus. ABC - the National (state-funded) Feminist Broadcaster?

The bias on the ABC is pretty impressive, i will say. I remember when Boko Haram was targeting boys, they would always report is as "children killed". When they kidnapped girls, they emphasised it was girls being targeted. If the people killed were men, they were reported as 'people'; when it was women, well that deserved special mention.

Then Boko Haram went back to slaughtering boys - and the ABC just reported them as "children".

Same with the incident in Pakistan from memory.

They HATE the idea of people having compassion for a male. Any situation where a male might be worse off - the masculinity is removed from the victim. Any situation where it's a male perp - it's emphasised.

For example, lesbian Domestic Violence occurs at higher rates than straight (which in turn is higher than gay). Most DV in straight couples is reciprocated (they hit each other in a unconscious mutual pact of destruction) and female initiated. I don't think the ABC has mentioned that ONCE.

I used to send little letters pointing out the bias, but I never got a response; I'm sure they just put me on a blacklist.

Men are bigger overall, and can hit harder, which is why they end up harming their partners more often even in cases of mutual violence - but consider this: if a short man hits a tall man, should the tall man stand there being a punching bag or hit back? If a woman hits a man, why are the rules different?


http://pb.rcpsych.org/content/35/1/33.1

"One study found that in the same sample of couples 28% of the women, but only 19% of their male partners, reported that their relationships were violent, suggesting underreporting in a third of men...

 Large epidemiological studies have demonstrated that domestic violence is most commonly reciprocal and that when only one partner is violent there is an excess of violent women.

Whitaker et al,2 in a study of 14 000 young US couples aged 18-28 years, found that 24% of relationships had some violence and half of those were reciprocally violent.

In 70% of the non-reciprocally violent relationships women were the perpetrators of violence.

Reciprocal violence appears to be particularly dangerous, leading to the highest rate of injury (31.4%). This may be because reciprocal violence is more likely to escalate."

Feminists will openly boast about their violence towards males.

http://jezebel.com/294383/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have

Consider this: there were no charges laid despite confessions in a public forum of a pattern of violence, and incitement to others to commit violence. When I point out to feminists that other feminists don't condemn this, I'm informed "they aren't true Scotsmen".

Look at the changes to consent laws that have made it that if a man shares  drink with a woman, and they both have sex, then the man can be imprisoned and destroyed on her whim as a rapist - despite her urgings to mutual pleasure being recorded or even witnessed!

In that light, I don't doubt that feminists ultimate goal is to make violence a crime only when it is committed by males. They achieved partial success with this worldwide through the Duluth Model, and VAWA put it into law to some extent via the 'Primary Aggressor Laws' - but there are still pocket of resistant.

Look at the uproar when the NSW police showed one ad on facebook with a male victim of female violence. Only one, out of the hundreds they have shown the other way around.

It was deemed UNACCEPTABLE.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/male-victims-of-domestic-violence-police-facebook-post-stirs-debate-on-controversial-issue/story-fni0cx12-1227189639460

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'Cracked' urges you to "Listen and Believe"!

http://www.cracked.com/blog/8-a242423oles-who-show-up-every-time-word-feminism-used/



"Note: To save space, instead of typing 'antifeminist', I'm just going to use 'asshole.'"

It's always important to vilify anyone who might disagree with you, isn't it?

"Sexual inequality is almost the entire history of our species. "

That's irrelevant. So is slavery and cannibalism. Is it occurring against women in the West right now? If so, is feminism the best movement to advocate gender equality?

"When nearly every social statistic in every country on the planet is evidence of the problem"

Cite reference. Feminism operates in the west in any case; even if sexism against women is a problem in Nigeria, it's not like Feminists are flying over to solve the problem.

The statistics that feminists do use tend to either be made up (one in five women will be raped by the time you read this article!) or misleading - Gender Wage Gap! (that is totally due to oppression and not women choosing safer jobs by an order of magnitude).

"people fighting it don't have to list them all to justify the discussion"

Listing ANY  would be nice. Citing your references is what sane people do. When your only reference is "I heard it and it sounded true" then maybe you should try to follow it back to something beyond an opinion piece from someone who agrees with you.

"I WON'T stop to Google 'combustion' for you!"

Combustion isn't in contention. Feminism is. You might feel it's so true that it's beyond proof - but all you are doing is reinforcing your own fanaticism by refusing to examine your sources for your beliefs.

Sexism [is] "unfair treatment of people because of that gender, especially women."

Why ESPECIALLY WOMEN? The automatic privileging of one sex over another is discrimination on the basis of sex... if only we had a word for that...

" it's in the dictionary"

Argument by dictionary; how novel.

"What we say has been proven to be true! Because we wrote it don in this book - and it says whatever we say is true! QED!"

Feminists write the current dictionaries in the West; a glance at the older dictionaries immediately shows the problem. http://brettcaton.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/argument-by-dictionary.html

"This attack assumes that only saints and particularly blessed Buddhas are deserving of even the most basic human rights or empathy. "

Uh huh. Explain to me how much empathy feminist give to men, again?

"You'll see this attitude when women are sexually assaulted"

You immediately erased all the male victims, I see. Such empathy!

" when black men are murdered "

Oh, quick, erase all the non-black people... seriously, you want to play the race card? You know a lot of black men get raped, don't you?

How does that play out in your mind... men are undeserving of empathy! But black people are deserving... so ... a black man! No..ooo! That's a logical paradox! (*kaboom*)(*brains decorate walls*)

"Accusing Victims of Faking It"

Your sentence is a lie. It's accusing alleged victims of faking it that you can't stand. You want us to "Listen and Believe" (so long as it's a woman accusing a man).

Well, dang, here in the real world - people lie! Routinely! And having a vagina doesn't make you a saint.

Do I really have to look up cases of false accusation? Is it that you don't know about them - or just do not care?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#Rumney_.282006.29

"Stewart (1981) 16 out of 18 90%"

And how do Feminists react when false accusers are exposed?

Deny, deny, deny.

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations



It's getting to the point where if a man doesn't have his life continuously recorded, he can depend on someone seriously messing him up - and feminists like yourself eager to silence him regardless of evidence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10160029/Cab-driver-falsely-accused-of-rape-saved-by-his-phone-app.html



"Listen and Believe"?

We did that before. It didn't work out so well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching

I can't be bothered going onto to page 2; we both know you aren't interested in honest or rational debate.

Turning sentient beings into something you dip with….

I don’t think the universe will ever forgive us for this.

But... how we possibly do anything... it's all soooo hard!

Response to http://repstar3.tumblr.com/post/110991252451/you-seem-to-confuse-radfems-and-feminists-alot

    "And since when do we have control over who gets appointed where?"

        The same way every other such movement does.

        You don’t appoint them to positions of power, such as in Ms. Magazine or NOW. http://oratorasaurus.tumblr.com/post/53087260843/lzbth-im-not-a-feminist-why-because-i

You are arguing you are helpless Damsel in Distress who have no power over who is appointed to organisations in power like Ms. Magazine and NOW?



Do you need a big strong man to come and save you?

"    it’s not like feminism is some company that can be like: “well you are fired now quit your job”"
   
    Yes. Ms. Magazine is a company. That is exactly what it is. What the fuck do you think happens to the editors of magazines if they start slagging off groups like Jews or Black people?
       
"I feel that jew-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." — Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.

If she'd said that, she'd be gone. No fucking question.

What she said was "I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act..."

And you have no problem with that. Your movement applauded her and others like her.

So either you are a liar - or so incapable that you shouldn't be trusted with anything sharper than a rubber ball.

        "Gee maybe the whole conference is run by people we actually dont want in the movement? and thus they invite people we dont want in the movement?"
   
    Or maybe it's run by the true feminists - the ones who you pretend don't exist whenever it's convenient to do so.
   
     "feminism has no actual control over people you do realise that right?"

Reality seems to argue otherwise. Feminist fought for women to be the sole 'natural' parent with the Tender Year Doctrine - and got that. They fought for the right to vote without the duty of military service (despite being offered it in WW1) - and got that.

They fought against gender neutral rape laws - that would have meant women were treated as equals with men - and got that.

They fought against domestic violence shelters for men in the UK - terrorising Erin Pizzey - and got that.

For such a 'helpless' Damsel, they seem to have an AWFUL lot of fucking power. http://oratorasaurus.tumblr.com/post/50147759527/correct-for-every-one-innocent-man-in-jail-there


 "  we cant be like “you may not hire this person” cause like what were you gonna do if some random person told you not to hire someone who seems to be good for the job you have?"
   
    I dunno - what every other person who isn't a total hypocrite does? Protest. Boycott. Hold press conferences. Use social media to denounce them.

"    Like i said earlier ignore america, it’s not the western world that revolves around radfems it’s america, i can assure you such laws cant possibly be passed here."
   
   
Hahaha oh god you're serious. The Duluth Model is promoted world wide, exported from America by VAWA and other feminist groups. It holds that domestic violence is the fault of masculinity. A boy being throttled by their mother... is responsible for their own death. How fucking twisted is that. Feminism in a fucking nutshell.
   
Feminism is an international movement - it changes laws according to it's ideology, and every country in the West that is out of line gets stomped on. The recent changes to consent laws in Australia, for example, now mean that if a woman and a man share a glass of wine and have sex, the man can be accused and imprisoned for rape at her whim. She can shout YES every thirty seconds in front of a judge and jury during the whole process - and it doesn't matter.

Feminists, world-wide, decided that women should have the power to destroy men at their whim - and jurisdiction by jurisdiction, they are gaining that power.

While you sit about, whistling - "nothing i can do, I'm just a Damsel, teehee!"

Fuck that. Fuck that all to Hell.
   

Word association games

From http://matt-ruins-feminisms-shit.tumblr.com/post/110990726156/takashi0-nowhiningzone

5 Ways to Have a Feminist Valentine’s Day

Oh God - they're serious!

"Frustrated by the patriarchal, heteronormative, gendered conventions of Valentine’s Day?"

You really hate heterosexuals, don't you?

"Scrap the manufactured “holiday” altogether. Celebrate V-Day instead.

.... V-Day is actually a global activist movement fighting to end violence against women. The “V” stands for Victory, Valentine and Vagina."

Because nothing says romance like a woman obsessed with her vagina as a political statement.



"Decorate Valentine’s Day cards with glitter lettering that says “ovaries before brovaries.”"

but remember - the male version of that is sexist. The male version of everything is sexist. Are you questioning me?

"Invite your lover to a local showing of The Vagina Monologues."

Because a play about a young girl who is raped by a woman to cure her of heterosexuality is the most romantic thing in the world.

The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could, in which a woman recalls memories of traumatic sexual experiences in her childhood and a self-described "positive healing" sexual experience in her adolescent years with an older woman.

This particular skit has sparked outrage, numerous controversies and criticisms due to its content, among which the most famous is the Robert Swope controversy (see below). In the original version, she is 13, but later versions changed her age to 16. It also originally included the line, "If it was rape, it was a good rape", which was removed from later versions.

(source)

"Make your own feminist V-Day cards."



"Curl up with your significant other and a stack of your most prized feminist literature"


"The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process." — Linda Gordon

"I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." — Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.

"I haven’t the faintest notion what possible revolutionary role white hetero- sexual men could fulfill, since they are the very embodiment of reactionary- vested-interest-power. But then, I have great difficulty examining what men in general could possibly do about all this. In addition to doing the shitwork that women have been doing for generations, possibly not exist? No, I really don’t mean that. Yes, I really do." — Robin Morgan

"We can’t destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage." — Robin Morgan

"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire."
— Robin Morgan

From her “The Demon Lover” (NY: Norton & Co., 1989 Morgan doesn’t hide her bigotry):

* p. 138-9: The phallic malady is epidemic and systemic… each individual male in the patriarchy is aware of his relative power in the scheme of things…. He knows that his actions are supported by the twin pillars of the State of man - the brotherhood ritual of political exigency and the brotherhood ritual of a sexual thrill in dominance. As a devotee of Thanatos, he is one with the practitioner of sado-masochistic “play” between “consenting adults,” as he is one with the rapist.
* p. 224: My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others’ agony.
* p. 229: Sex to this point in my life has been trivial, at best a gesture of tenderness, at worst a chore. I couldn’t understand the furor about it.
* p. 316: Did she die of the disease called “family” or the disease called “rehabilitation”, of poverty or drugs or pornography, of economics or sexual slavery or a broken body?

"And let’s put one lie to rest for all time: the lie that men are oppressed, too, by sexism—the lie that there can be such a thing as ‘men’s liberation groups.’ Oppression is something that one group of people commits against another group, specifically because of a ‘threatening’ characteristic shared by the latter group—skin, color, sex or age, etc. The oppressors are indeed ****ED UP by being masters, but those masters are not OPPRESSED. Any master has the alternative of divesting himself of sexism or racism—the oppressed have no alternative—for they have no power but to fight. In the long run, Women’s Liberation will of course free men—but in the short run it’s going to cost men a lot of privilege, which no one gives up willingly or easily. Sexism is NOT the fault of women—kill your fathers, not your mothers".
— Robin Morgan

"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo."
— Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto

"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex."
— Valerie Solana, SCUM founder (Society for Cutting Up Men.)

"The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness…can be trained to do most things."
— Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men, started by Valerie Solanas)

"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage." — Sheila Cronin, the leader of the feminist organization NOW

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." — Andrea Dworkin

"Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice." — Andrea Dworkin

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women’s bodies." — Andrea Dworkin

"In my own life, I don’t have intercourse. That is my choice." — Andrea Dworkin

"Under patriarchy, every woman’s son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman." — Andrea Dworkin

"To be rapeable, a position that is social, not biological, defines what a woman is." — Andrea Dworkin

"Q: People think you are very hostile to men.
A: I am.” — Andrea Dworkin

"Men use the night to erase us." — Andrea Dworkin

"The annihilation of a woman’s personality, individuality, will, character, is prerequisite to male sexuality." — Andrea Dworkin

"Men love death. In everything they make, they hollow out a central place for death, let its rancid smell contaminate every dimension of whatever still survives. Men especially love murder. In art they celebrate it, and in life they commit it. They embrace murder as if life without it would be devoid of passion, meaning, and action, as if murder were solace, stilling their sobs as they mourn the emptiness and alienation of their lives."
— Andrea Dworkin

"Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it ‘Her’. Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination."
— Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men Possessing Women

"On the Left, on the Right, in the Middle; Authors, statesmen, thieves; so-called humanists and self-declared fascists; the adventurous and the contemplative, in every realm of male expression and action, violence is experienced and articulated as love and freedom."
— Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men Possessing Women.

"The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist" — Ti-Grace Atkinson

"Feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice." — Ti-Grace Atkinson

"Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear" — Susan Brownmiller; Authoress of Against Our Will p.6

"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression." — Sheila Jeffrys

"Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated." — Catherine MacKinnon

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." — Catherine MacKinnon

"You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs."
— Catherine MacKinnon (Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.)

"In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent."
— Catharine MacKinnon, quoted in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women’s Studies.

"The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men." — Sharon Stone; Actress

"Ninety-five percent of women’s experiences are about being a victim. Or about being an underdog, or having to survive… women didn’t go to Vietnam and blow things up. They are not Rambo."
— Jodie Foster; Actress - as quoted in The New York Times Magazine.

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." — Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future - If There Is One - Is Female.

"And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference."
— Susan Griffin, Rape: The All-American Crime.

"If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males." —Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001.

"If anyone is prosecuted for filing a false report, then victims of real attacks will be less likely to report them." - David Angier

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience." - Catherine Comins

"As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women…he can sexually molest his daughters… THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE."
— Marilyn French (her emphasis)

"My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter."
— Marilyn French; The Woman’s Room.

"All patriarchists exalt the home and family as sacred, demanding it remain inviolate from prying eyes. Men want privacy for their violations of women… All women learn in childhood that women as a sex are men’s prey."
— Marilyn French

"All men are rapists and that’s all they are"
— Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore’s Presidential Campaign.)

"The media treat male assaults on women like rape, beating, and murder of wives and female lovers, or male incest with children, as individual aberrations…obscuring the fact that all male violence toward women is part of a concerted campaign."
— Marilyn French

"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it."
— Barbara Jordan; Former Congresswoman.

"Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release."
— Germaine Greer.

"Man-hating is everywhere, but everywhere it is twisted and transformed, disguised, tranquilized, and qualified. It coexists, never peacefully, with the love, desire, respect, and need women also feel for men. Always man-hating is shadowed by its milder, more diplomatic and doubtful twin, ambivalence."
— Judith Levine; Authoress

"Men’s sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can ‘reach WITHIN women to ****/construct us from the inside out.’ Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women’s own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, ‘even if she does not feel forced.’
— Judith Levine, (explicating comment profiling prevailing misandry.)

"I feel what they feel: man-hating, that volatile admixture of pity, contempt, disgust, envy, alienation, fear, and rage at men. It is hatred not only for the anonymous man who makes sucking noises on the street, not only for the rapist or the judge who acquits him, but for what the Greeks called philo-aphilos, ‘hate in love,’ for the men women share their lives with—husbands, lovers, friends, fathers, brothers, sons, coworkers."
— Judith Levine, Authoress of My Enemy, My love

"There are no boundaries between affectionate sex and slavery in (the male) world. Distinctions between pleasure and danger are academic; the dirty-laundrylist of ‘sex acts’…includes rape, foot binding, fellatio, intercourse, auto eroticism, incest, anal intercourse, use and production of pornography, cunnilingus, sexual harassment, and murder."
— Judith Levine; summarizing comment on the WAS document, (A southern Women’s Writing Collective: Women Against Sex.)

"All men are good for is ****ing, and running over with a truck".
Statement made by A University of Maine Feminist Administrator, quoted by Richard Dinsmore, who brought a successful civil suit against the University in the amount of $600,000. Richard had protested the quote; was dismissed thereafter on the grounds of harassment; and responded by bringing suit against the University 1995 settlement.

Delaney Nickerson, of the American Coalition for ABUSE AWARENESS, refers to the False Memory Syndrome Foundation as “The ****ing Molesters Society”. (Miami Herald, April 3, 1995) The ACAA is a lobbying group, which includes Ellen Bass (co-author of THE COURAGE TO HEAL), and Rene Frederickson, leading feminist psychotherapist and strong proponent of repressed memory theory.

"Women have their faults / men have only two: / everything they say / everything they do."
— Popular Feminist Graffiti

"I was, in reality, bred by my parents as my father’s concubine… What we take for granted as the stability of family life may well depend on the sexual slavery of our children. What’s more, this is a cynical arrangement our institutions have colluded to conceal.".
— Sylvia Fraser; Journalist

"We are taught, encouraged, moulded by and lulled into accepting a range of false notions about the family. As a source of some of our most profound experiences, it continues to be such an integral part of our emotional lives that it appears beyond criticism. Yet hiding from the truth of family life leaves women and children vulnerable."
— Canadian Panel on Violence Against Women.

"Catharine MacKinnon maintains that "the private is a sphere of battery, marital rape and women’s exploited labor." In this way, privacy and family are reduced to nothing more than aspects of the master plan, which is male domination. Democratic freedoms and the need to keep the state’s nose out of our personal affairs are rendered meaningless. The real reason our society cherishes privacy is because men have invented it as an excuse to conceal their criminality. If people still insist that the traditional family is about love and mutual aid—ideals which, admittedly, are sometimes betrayed—they’re "hiding from the truth." The family isn’t a place where battery and marital rape sometimes happen but where little else apparently does. Sick men don’t simply molest their daughters, they operate in league with their wives to "breed" them for that purpose."
— Donna Laframboise; The Princess at the Window; (in a critical explication of the Catharine MacKinnon, Gloria Steinhem et al tenets of misandric belief.)

"If the classroom situation is very heteropatriarchal—a large beginning class of 50 to 60 students, say, with few feminist students—I am likely to define my task as largely one of recruitment…of persuading students that women are oppressed"
— Professor Joyce Trebilcot of Washington University, as quoted in Who Stole Feminism: How Women Have Betrayed Women.

"Men, as a group, tend to be abusive, either verbally, sexually or emotionally. There are always the exceptions, but they are few and far between (I am married to one of them). There are different levels of violence and abuse and individual men buy into this system by varying degrees. But the male power structure always remains intact." —taken from Daphne Patai’s excellent critical work, Heterophobia

"Considering the nature and pervasiveness of men’s violence, I would say that without question, children are better off being raised without the presence of men. Assaults on women and children are mostly perpetrated by men whom they are supposed to love and trust: fathers, brothers, uncles, grandfathers, step-fathers." — taken from Daphne Patai’s excellent critical work, Heterophobia

"At Brandies I discovered Feminism. And I instantly became a convert… writing brilliant papers in my Myths of Patriarchy class, in which I likened my fate as a woman to other victims throughout the ages."
— Heather Hart 7

"The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified as a lesbian to be fully feminist" (National NOW Times, January, 1988)

"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage" (feminist leader Sheila Cronan)

In response to a question concerning China’s policy of compulsory abortion after the first child, Molly Yard responded, “I consider the Chinese government’s policy among the most intelligent in the world” (Gary Bauer, “Abetting Coercion in China,” The Washington Times, Oct. 10, 1989)

"Overthrowing capitalism is too small for us. We must overthrow the whole…patriarch!" (Gloria Steinem, radical feminist leader, editor of MS magazine)

"Marriage has existed for the benefit of men; and has been a legally sanctioned method of control over women…. We must work to destroy it. The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men…. All of history must be re-written in terms of oppression of women. We must go back to ancient female religions like witchcraft" (from "The Declaration of Feminism," November, 1971)

"We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men." — Elizabeth Cady Stanton

From ‘A feminist Dictionary; ed. Kramarae and Triechler, Pandora Press, 1985:

MALE:…represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants…the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female.

MAN:…an obsolete life form… an ordinary creature who needs to be watched…a contradictory baby-man…

Thanks to http://oratorasaurus.tumblr.com/post/53087260843/lzbth-im-not-a-feminist-why-because-i for the compilation of feminist poetry.

Were the Suffragettes 'Feminists'?

Reblogged from Exposing Feminism:
A lot of people have allowed the feminist movement's historical revisionism and lies to taint and claim the wonderful accomplishments of the women's suffrage movement but the pioneers of the women's suffrage movement never said that they were a part of a feminist movement.

In fact the words "feminism" or "feminist" are never even mentioned in the books they wrote about the movement at the time. In the screenshot (click to zoom) you can see a search done in the book edited by Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony titled History of Women's Suffrage 1883-1900 and you can see that a search for the word "feminism" yields "0" results.






http://books.google.com/books…
And a search for the word "feminist" yields "0" results.

http://books.google.com/books…

So if this was a feminist movement why didn't they call themselves feminists during the movement?

And here's part 2 of her diaries and letters and no mention of the word "feminism".


http://books.google.com/books?id=CIsEAAAAYAAJ&q=feminism...

Elizabeth Cady Stanton never calls herself a feminist or mentions the word "feminism" in her letters and diaries either.

http://books.google.com/books?id=NCzBbOXFyY4C&vq=feminism...

The only result for the word "feminist" is the person who wrote the introduction calling her a feminist in the modern age after she died.

http://books.google.com/books?id=NCzBbOXFyY4C&q=feminist...

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