The Force is Feminist? (Warning, spoilers!)

A response to https://archive.is/ZFlEC


“can we stop giving all the credit to JJ Abrams ”


The guy in charge? Oh right - it’s the guy part you don’t like. You are happy to make him responsible for all wickedness and no goodness, because you hate men.

“This is the guy who made two Star Trek films (You know. The franchise that’s meant to be built on equality & progressiveness?"

Equality AND progressiveness? Pick one! I don’t recall any time the makers of Star Trek said these shows were about dismantling the Patriarchy, destroying the family, teaching women to be political lesbians or giving a good old “Eve Ensler” to little girls.

" Both women were in their underwear”

Oh! Those sluts! You should demand they wear a hijab! Un-free the nipple!

" one of the women died offscreen a couple scenes later”

Oh no! A WOMAN died! Billions of men, too, but they don’t count. Re-write that movie! We can’t allow a WOMAN to die!

Because Feminism is equality, but some are more equal than others (the ones with vaginas, of course).

"Oh, and that woman was an alien whose hair colour is on record as having been changed to red from the canonically established hair colour of black for her species, because the makeup design guy thought it looked hotter that way, & it was pitched to production on those grounds. Yikes.”

Fucking fuck me to death with a spoon - that is what you are objecting to? I wonder if some amazing technology could alter someone's appearance in the manner you describe?

Something that real human women use routinely in order... to look hotter?!

"A scene which the male writers are again on record, as having put in the film because the male writers decided that, since they had a underwear scene ‘to appeal to the male fanbase’"

Reference? None, of course. But I seriously don’t care. Why the fuck do you? Why is appealing to male sexuality bad?


Are you saying we can't even look?

Feminism cannot maintain any consistency about it’s message.

Either men can look, or we can’t - make up your mind.

What you are freaking out about is the idea of male sexuality - it’s fine for these self-proclaimed sluts to show themselves - but you can’t handle the idea we might lust for them.

It makes you anxious - the thought that you can’t control our feelings.
It makes you feel inadequate, too - all those sluts - how dare they look better than you do!


” they need a birth scene. Because all women love babies”You don’t make a movie with the idea that everyone will love what you are doing. But are you claiming it’s not a good commercial idea to make something appeal to a lot of people?

Because, I grant you, you might well loathe babies - probably because they might be male, but it might be a part of your general loathing of all forms of life - but most women adore them.

This is one of the most powerful moments in a human life. If this stirs nothing inside, then it’s no wonder you are a Feminist.


"The total lack of sexualized costumes for women”

Either this is good, or this is bad. PICK. ONE.


"Probably not on JJ, so much as him being surrounded by women offering better perspectives & more nuanced reasoning for decisions than ‘Rule of Boob’."

You seem awfully obsessed with breasts. Is it because you don’t have any worth looking at - or because all the good looking women won’t let you play with theirs?


”Kathleen Kennedy is on record at pointing to the amount of women who worked on the movie as being integral to the way that women are represented in the film.”

No citation, of course. So how are they represented? They are boring as fuck.
Compare it to Star Wars 1, where Leia - a very young woman, 16 according to the original script - stands up to Lord Vader.

She snarks the instant she sees a Storm Trooper in her cell - despite having just been tortured.

She’s witty, but flawed; trying to command people she doesn’t have authority over, for example.

In fact, the reason she falls for Han is he stands up to her - she’s had people obey her all her life - but he’s not an enemy, like Vader. He thinks differently - and sometimes better than she does.

He’s an equal - which is why the chemistry exists, why it’s memorable, and why they, generations after the first movie, still have that romance going in the latest film.

She’s not the best pilot that has ever been born despite never having touched a star ship, she can’t fight better than a trained force acolyte with a light sabre, or use telekinesis more effectively.

She’s not a fucking Feminist Mary Sue.

You remember her.

Her hairstyle immediately makes an impact - and became a cliche. Her sexuality is appealing to many men and some women - and if you don’t think women go to see movies because of sexy men, well, maybe you don’t know any people outside your toxic Tumblr safe-space.

Women like looking at sexy women - and often want that sexiness for themselves. Which is why Leia’s costumes are immensely popular.

You think people will dress like Rey to future conventions in anywhere near the numbers they did Leia for decades?

No, because Rey is boring.

Oh god. She’s still on screen. She’s still on screen. Make it stahhhhhhp!
They even seem to recognise how ridiculously easy everything is for her in the movie.

The movie becomes a parody of itself.



 

 Wow. What a thrilling escape that was.

This isn’t a dig at the actor, btw.

Although it does amuse me that, had Rey dressed like the actor dresses irl, Feminists would have fumed about the male gaze and how she was being‘sexualised’.

Going back to the Mary Sue...

She’s a better melee fighter than people who fight for a living - despite starving, despite barely scraping by as a scavenger. (You’d think she would have found a better job with her amazing abilities, but ... wage gap.. Patriarchy... or something)

She picks up a blaster and immediately starts shooting better than troopers who fire them from nearly the moment they are born.

She’s a better pilot than Han Solo - PILOTING HIS OWN DAMNED SHIP - despite having never flown.

She can use the force better than Yoda. With no training whatsoever.
(If you ever want to see an example of a well-written set of characters, including one learning how to use the force, watch this

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Seriously, she should just have farted and blown up the Death Star 3, and queefed and resurrected the dead. Maybe that’s in the sequel.

In fact, the movie would have been better without Rey. We could have had a someone as the centre of the film, someone who was complex - flawed, yes,  but able to grow, with motivations that would involve the audience.


Someone who could bridge the gap between the factions of this civil war, as well as the halves of the Force itself.

And that was the image used to promote the movie, not Ms McAwesome McAwesomeness.

Now let’s leap back to Leia...or at least, someone costumed like her.

Fucking gorgeous.
And that’s not counting the metal bikini.

The most iconic costume in movie history. Incredibly popular - WITH WOMEN.

Either it’s ok for woman to dress sexy, and for men to desire them - or it isn’t.

BAN THE MALE GAZE!

The male gaze is a lens of entitlement. And challenging it is an integral part of feminism. Here are four ways to start.

They blocked me from their website so I thought I'd post a response here.

"The male gaze, which refers to the lens through which mostly white, heterosexual men are viewing the world, is a lens of entitlement."

Oh, a racist start: I like it!

"It’s entitlement to all of the privileges awarded to gazers"

Are they like beholders? Do they bob about with eyes on the ends of stalks?


" entitlement to view women"

So the author believes men are NOT entitled to view women. You know what we call a group which is not entitled to view the other group?

Slaves.

Feminists imagine men should never be allowed to open their eyes and glance upon the divine visage that is the female form.

Or Feminist Wrath shall Smiteth them, oh yea!

" (and even to touch them!)"

And yet who made the law saying it was illegal for men to touch women? Men. So by this author's warped argument, men believe they are simultaneously entitled to touch women at any time, and are forbidden to touch them on pain of imprisonment.


Alternatively, this is total rubbish and the author is whipping up hysterical fear and hate against white heterosexual men. Let's call the Jews from now on and see where that takes us. Oh right, can't do that - because then this article would be banned as hatespeech.

 "  and to discuss and exploit their bodies without consequence. "

 Ah, so the author not only wants to ban men from looking in the direction of their superiors, but even from talking about them.
 

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 "Actions like walking up behind a stranger, grabbing her hips, and grinding up against her or staring at her suggestively from across the club while you run your hand down between your legs are examples of entitlement."

 Ah, but you just said it only applied to "white, heterosexual men". Women do all those things, to other women, and to men, and gay men do it to each other.

 So it seems to me that what you are saying is SEX IS BAD whenever the hated minority group does it.

 "Thinking that if you buy a woman a drink, she owes you something"

 Yep. Quid pro quo. She doesn't have to accept the drink. People don't buy other people drinks as an act of charity.

 " that if you spend all night talking to her, she has to sleep with you "

 Almost no sane person thinks that. However, they would feel cheated if sex wasn't on the table. If someone is spending all night speaking to you in that context - but they are not interested in you - then they deliberated wasted your time, knowing you wanted to get lucky, knowing you should have been talking to someone else. And this applies to straights, and gays, men and women. But you only object when Jews - I mean white straight men - stuff it, i'll says Jews - do it.

 You hate Jews. You only object to Jews doing these things. You have no problem when your group does these things. You want to criminalise it when Jews do it. You want to whip up hatred towards Jews - and act offended when we point this out.

 "Actions like walking up behind a stranger, grabbing her hips, and grinding up against her or staring at her suggestively from across the club while you run your hand down between your legs are examples of entitlement."

 Ah, but you just said it only applied to "white, heterosexual men". Women do all those things, to other women, and to men, and gay men do it to each other.

 So it seems to me that what you are saying is SEX IS BAD whenever the hated minority group does it.

 "Thinking that if you buy a woman a drink, she owes you something"

 Yep. Quid pro quo. She doesn't have to accept the drink. People don't buy other people drinks as an act of charity.


 It can be as simple as when a white asks a jew not to leer, wink, or whistle when they walk by only to be told, “I didn’t do anything! You’re being crazy!”

 Yep. A whistle is not the end of the world. It's an expression of opinion. If it's against the workplace rules, take that up with HR. But you are saying that no Jew may 'leer' at a white woman. Who can say when they are leering? Well, the white woman will just decide if she wants the jew to look at her, which as we all know is utterly disgusting and so she will always scream RAAAAPE when he glances at her. Because how dare he look, that's "eye-rape".

 Not making that phrase up btw - Feminists invented it.
 

"saying “dance like no one is watching” is a bit hypocritical in a culture where we are told that there are always people watching."

You don't understand the meaning of the word hypocritical. When they say LIKE no-one's watching, it means IGNORE THEM. IT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE LITERALLY NOT WATCHING, YOU IGNORAMUS.

"That they have a right to be watching – and judging."

Yup. That's what freedom means. They have the right to look around in a public places. They have a right to make opinions that you don't approve of.

You are a fascist piece of scum for wanting to deny them that right.

"No matter what a woman wears, it is assumed that those clothes are worn for the gazers."

Yep. Because people dress to communicate to the onlookers. Women do not dress up much, if at all, when isolated. Why would you think that they would? Humans are just as prone to sexual selection as birds, and like birds, we preen and dance for our mates.

You see reality as being a part of the conspiracy against you.

You are bloody INSANE.

A genderation gap

They sat together, discussing the weekly newspaper. It was a brilliant day, just a little too hot, a little too early in the season, which was another record set in decades of records broken for heatwaves and wild weather.. he had never thought he would miss the gentle dank rains of his childhood here.

"It's like what you say those Feminists do."

He wasn't quite sure where that had come from. Sometimes she seemed to be having a conversation with someone else, or picking up from where they had been years ago. She was far more lucid during the day, but even so, he knew she was slipping, and there was less time left than he cared to think about.

He looked over the articles he had been reading out to her. Which had triggered this off? Should he ask? She could get terribly upset if she was reminded of her problem, or suspected him of pussyfooting around her... bit of a catch-22, sometimes.

Oh, right. He had been reading out the story of a meeting by MRAs, which had been attacked by a group of Feminists. Despite being filmed, the police wouldn't intervene, except when the men involved started fighting back.. and even then it was just to arrest the men.

"They really did do this, Mum. See, it's in the paper.."

"Oh, you can't believe everything you read!"

"Mum, it's everywhere. The group says they had to defend themselves against anti-feminist attacks.. they are quite open about what they've done".

"It's that bloody Rupert Murdoch!"

"He's dead, Mum. The Murdochs don't own papers anymore, they're strictly blogotainment... "

She interrupted: "He was always making up those lies!" Her face was flushed and he realised he had better calm her down in a hurry. She could have another stroke, or worse..

"Never mind that, Mum.. what about I get you an iced tea?"

"Bloody lies! About that bomb! I never planted a bomb!"

He walked quickly to the counter, not wanting to hear any more.

"What... what is she talking about?" he thought, horrified. He remembered the cell they had been in as a child, and the looks the women used to give him. They were not friendly looks. They didn't ... like... men.. but he was tolerated as a small child. He didn't look enough like the enemy. Not yet.

He tried to think about a bombing. There had been that attempt on Malcolm Frasier. Wasn't that from Amanda Marga or ... well, some name like that?

They had denied it, but had hung nevertheless. Treason was still a capital offense, back then, although he was pretty sure it was life imprisonment instead now.

Damn, it was a woman at the counter.... don't look longer than 8 seconds, that's looking intently. Three years at Her Majesty's Pleasure, which mostly involved involuntary sodomy. Her Majesty, Queen Dianna. One sadistic bitch.

He looked at the menu, and grabbed his wallet. If he looked at her hands, did that count? Best to put the money on the counter.

The order blurted, change returned (only nearly dropped this time, it's not easy if you can't see it), and little number received... his hand was shaking a little. He would have loved a coffee too, but he was nervous enough as it was.

Could she have done it?

No surely not.. but they could have. Those women with hate in their hearts, the books of gendercide lining their shelves; they dreamt of violent revolution and joked of the screams of men... bathing in male tears, they called it. That was just talk, wasn't it?

Just talk. Just talking about opposing feminism was a hatecrime now.

Suddenly he wished he knew how to build a bomb himself.

He pushed that thought down.

She'd fallen asleep, face slack against the wall. He'd wake her when the tea arrived. He slipped on his reflective sunglasses so no woman could accuse him of male gazing, and stared at the sky. It was blue, empty of the merest hint of cloud, but somehow he knew something dark and ugly was blowing from the south.