- Feminists threaten to kill woman for saying men need abuse shelters.
- Feminists prevent a meeting about male suicide.
- Feminists stage mock murders to scare men.
- Feminist attacks male cartoonist and is hailed a hero of feminism.
- Feminists shut down forum for battered husbands.
- Propaganda campaign against male fathers wanting custody.
- Feminists wish to slander accused names before convicted.
- Try to shut down female prisons.
- Create rape laws that exclude female rapists.
- Make it impossible to charge women with rape.
- Feminists against equal custody.
- Female felons should serve home sentences.
- Told judges to be lenient on women.
- Feminists cover up female domestic violence.
- Feminists don’t want the gov to help unemployed men.
- Feminists launch campaigns to help girls only while boys are doing worse in every facet of education.
- Males who were raped as a child still have to pay child support.
- Women should have the right to put a child up for adoption before the father gets custody.
- Feminists against beyond reasonable doubt when it’s male rapists.
- 5 rights feminism ignores for men.
- Feminists blame males for their abuse.
- The primary aggressor clause where only men get charged with abuse.
- Shame men into going to war.
- Feminists dismiss female child rapists.
- Feminists say men can’t talk about domestic abuse.
- Feminists mock a man who has his dick cut off.
- Strawmanning MRA members.
- feminists attack church.
- Feminists transphobia
- Feminists slander the MRM
- Again,
- And again,
- Call them terrorists.
- Feminists say Men can’t be raped.
- Feminists defend female raping minor.
- Feminist defends why fucking an 8 year old boy isn’t rape.
- Feminists primary aggressor clause discriminates against males.
- Feminists cover up female domestic abuse stats.
- Woman smashing bottle in mans face in public. Nobody gives a fuck.
- Jezebel mocks men who are abused.
- Feminists make sure the gov doesn’t spend money on male shelters or male research.
- Female on male abuse in public is at best ignored, and at worst celebrated.
- Public stops a man from abusing a woman in public, same crowd laughs when the roles are reversed.
- No funding for male shelter.
- Founder of Canadas only male shelter for abuse forced to close due to lack of funding before committing suicide.
- Violent crimes? Only a few examples. One of which is their violent protest against Warren Farrell when he spoke in Toronto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0
- Another would be this mob of pro-abortion Feminists in Argentina: http://www.lifesitenews.com/horror-mob-of-topless-pro-abort-feminists-attacks-rosary-praying-men-defend.html
- Feminists disrupt a forum for battered men: http://youtu.be/qodygTkTUYM
- Tumblr users sarah-bunny and feminism-is-your-friend harass and DOXX an Asexual rape victim: http://dontneedfeminism.tumblr.com/post/78589971327/abbeyxmae-serebrii
- Tumblr user manhatingfeminist tells a user to kill themselves: http://dontneedfeminism.tumblr.com/post/78734991790/you-need-to-kill-yourself-lol
- Tumblr user musemorplsunerd defends a woman who raped an 8 year old boy: http://dontneedfeminism.tumblr.com/post/81918411593/you-do-realize-that-8-year-olds-cannot-give-any-kind-of
- Feminists threaten to kill woman for saying men need abuse shelters.
- Feminists prevent a meeting about male suicide.
- Feminists stage mock murders to scare men.
- Feminist attacks male cartoonist and is hailed a hero of feminism.anonymous said:PART 2 there was a part two I guess you couldn't find it Anyways I think feminism hate is a little silly because why are you hating something that's trying to help everyone that's like hating water like everyone needs it except where with feminism everyone complains about not having equality (feminism) but then rags on it. Why hate something that you don't have a valid reason to hate
Why? Oh, I dunno, let me think……- Men want protection against false rape allegations. They feel that a man’s life should not be ruined simply on the allegation of a woman who may be a vindictive liar. Currently, a woman can accuse a man of rape for no reason, and the man’s name is splashed in the paper and his life is ruined. So, they fought for laws granting men anonymity until charged with the crime of rape—not convicted, just charged. Feminists fought against this, causing it to fail. Also see here, the London Feminist Network campaigning to defeat the proposal.
- Men want an end to the justice system favoring women simply because they are women, and giving men harsher sentences simply because they are men. Feminists fought against this, arguing that no woman should be sent to jail, even women who had murdered multiple people.
- Men want equal treatment when victims of domestic violence, and to not be arrested for the crime of “being male” under primary aggressor policies. Feminists fought against thisby trying to suppress evidence showing that half of domestic violence is done by women, by threatening the researchers with bomb threats, death threats, etc. Modern, younger feminists are doing it as well.
- The feminist definition of domestic violence has skewed arrest and prosecution philosophies, resulting primarily in having only male batterers criminally pursued.
- Men want female rapists to be arrested, charged, and convicted with rape. In Western countries, women are rarely punished when raping men, due to the biased legal system. In some countries, women cannot be punished when raping men, since rape is defined as a male-perpetrated crime. Feminists fought against this in India, arguing that “there is a physicality [in] rape” and that it would make things “more complicated for judges.” Feminists fought against this in Israel, claiming that changing the law would result in men filing false rape claims.
- Men don’t want to be thrown in jail because they lost their jobs and temporarily cannot pay child support. Feminists fought against this, trying to lower the amount to $5000 before a man is guilty of a felony for not paying child support. If a man loses a decent-paying job, he will now be a felon, go to jail, lose his right to vote, AND be unable to find future jobs—if he cannot regain an equal-paying job within a few months.
- Men want equal economic support and help from the government. When the recession hit, male-dominated fields like construction lost millions of jobs, while female-fields like education and healthcare gained jobs. So the government proposed an economic stimulus for those fields. Feminists successfully fought against this, arguing that it was discrimination to support men, and caused the government to give money to women who didn’t deserve it. Hundreds of professional feminists complained against the “sexism” of helping men (who had lost jobs) and not women (who had gained jobs).
- A representative of the Michigan National Organization for Women testified in opposition to the Revocation of Paternity Act, which stopped the old law which stated that if a woman was married and cheated on her husband, the resulting child is considered to be legally the husband’s and the biological father had no legal rights to fight for custody or parenting time with his biological child.
- Feminists skewed the Definition of Domestic Abuse, resulting in only male abusers being arrested and female abusers not.
- Feminists’s DV training hurts Police training
- Feminist Mary Koss denies male rape victims.
- Feminists violently protesting against Warren Farrell at U of Toronto
- A mob of feminists at a recent protest attacking and sexually molesting a group of Rosary-praying Catholic men who were peacefully protecting the cathedral in the city of San Juan from threats of vandalism.
- Feminists disrupt a forum for battered men
- Feminists fought a law for equal custody to be the default if both parents want custody and neither parent is unfit. Multiple times.
- Feminists started a campaign against Father’s rights groups
- Feminists fought against laws granting men anonymity until charged with the crime of rape—not convicted, just charged.
- Feminists fought against a law to end to the justice system favoring women simply because they are women, and giving men harsher sentences simply because they are men.
- Feminist fought against men want equal treatment when victims of domestic violence, and to not be arrested for the crime of “being male” under primary aggressor policies.
- Feminists in India and Israel fought against female rapists being arrested, charged and convicted of rape.
- Feminists fought against a economic stimulus for male-dominated job such as construction, etc.
- Feminist fought a law against Paternity Fraud.
- Feminist Harriet Harman has publicly requested employers to hire women in preference to White men if both job candidates are equally
- Equality Minister,feminist Patricia Hewitt, was found guilty of breaching the Sex Discrimination Act by “overlooking a strong male candidate for a job in favour of a weaker female applicant”.
- Elected in 2009, the lesbian feminist prime minister Johanna Sigurdardottir has vowed to “end of the Age of Testosterone
- Feminists want to peeing while standing illegal
- Erin Pizzey had to flee the UK because she and her family received death threats and her dog murdered all because feminists didn’t like that she discovered women were equally as violent as men.
- Also Suzanne Steinmetz and her children received death threats and bomb threats she discovered that the rate at which men were victimized by domestic violence was similar to the rate for women.
- Richard Gelles and Murray Straus have all received death threats from feminists, simply for publishing their findings (that female-to-male family violence was equal to the rate of male-to-female violence).
- Feminists say Men can’t be raped.
- Feminists defend female raping minor.
- Feminist defends why fucking an 8 year old boy isn’t rape.
- Most feminists backed studies are bullshit.
- Beyond reasonable doubt doesn’t apply to rape.For men only
- Feminist changes mind on rape culture when her son is falsely accused.
- Feminists primary aggressor clause discriminates against males.
- Feminists cover up female domestic abuse stats.
- Jezebel mocks men who are abused.
- Feminists make sure the gov doesn’t spend money on male shelters or male research.
- Feminists prevent a meeting about male suicide.
- Feminists stage mock murders to scare men.
- Feminist attacks male cartoonist and is hailed a hero of feminism.
- Feminists shut down forum for battered husbands.
- Propaganda campaign against male fathers wanting custody.
- Feminists wish to slander accused names before convicted.
- Try to shut down female prisons.
- Create rape laws that exclude female rapists.
- Make it impossible to charge women with rape.
- Feminists against equal custody.
- Female felons should serve home sentences.
- Told judges to be lenient on women.
- Feminists cover up female domestic violence.
- Feminists don’t want the gov to help unemployed men.
- Feminists launch campaigns to help girls only while boys are doing worse in every facet of education.
- Males who were raped as a child still have to pay child support.
- Women should have the right to put a child up for adoption before the father gets custody.
- Feminists against beyond reasonable doubt when it’s male rapists.
- 5 rights feminism ignores for men.
- Feminists blame males for their abuse.
- The primary aggressor clause where only men get charged with abuse.
- Shame men into going to war.
- Feminists dismiss female child rapists.
- Feminists say men can’t talk about domestic abuse.
- Feminists mock a man who has his dick cut off.
- feminists attack church.
- Feminists shut down a festival about gender equality for including men.
- Feminists hope MRA’s die.
- Feminists against fathers day.
- Feminist makes up fake assault stories.
- Female reporter bullied by feminists at the National Young Feminist Leadership Conference
Saturday, 27 September 2014
Why do people think Feminism is a Hate Movement?
This info is from draumbouy
Thursday, 25 September 2014
Response to HuffPost Celebrities Rally Behind Emma Watson's Feminism Speech
" In Wake Of Nude Photo Threats"None of which existed. It's no come out there never was a threat, and it might all have been a stunt paid for by Emma's agent. Yet people are still bashing on 4chan. No word on when the lynching is to occur. Hope they hang their strawman up, string 'im up real gooood!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/celebrities-emma-watson-heforshe-speech_n_5876914.html?fb_comment_id=fbc_595812957208601_595896640533566_595896640533566#f5c3810a841c66
"imagine a world where the reverse happened...women protecting men from women"
So they were dying at ten times the rate in work related accidents? Sounds great! Quotas for the mines and up the power lines? Conscription for women? Terrific! I think this is a wonderful idea.
Please, when are you implementing it?
".....Can you imagine if all the inequalities women face globally were flipped"
Terrible things happen outside the West, for both sexes. But Feminism has no power except in the West. So focussing on the West,
WHAT RIGHTS DO MEN HAVE THAT WOMEN DO NOT HAVE.
WHAT RIGHTS DO WOMEN HAVE THAT MEN DO NOT HAVE.
Right to shorter or no sentences. Women can claim immunity to rape charges in India and Israel, thanks to lobbying by Feminists. They have partial immunity (it's not recorded as rape) thanks o Mary P Koss.
Right to control reproduction.
-If a woman gets pregnant, she has many choices. She can choose to terminate the pregnancy, or to surrender the child with no repercussions, moral or financial. Men cannot.
-He will told by the judge that he shouldn't have had sex. In fact, he can be raped, and still made to pay. Even if he was a child. Made to pay for a child he'll have no rights to. Turned into living cash dispenser.
Right to freedom from conscription.
-Strangely, non-feminists countries have no problem with female conscription. It's almost as if Feminism fights for the benefit of women, rather than equality!
Right to freedom of from genital mutilation.
Right to freedom of speech.
-Women can say almost anything and get away with it, but if you sex reverse the misandric comments Feminists make, you'd be arrested. There are Feminists calling for the extermination of all men.
-How many men's rights activists do that? I don't say I want them to, but you women have no idea of how much freedom women get, especially from other women.
-Misandry is so normalised you can buy mugs over the internet boasting of how you will drink of the misery of men, and no-one blinks an eye at it. There's no feminist protests against misandry. It's normal. However, feminists gladly protest any recognition of feminist misandry.
-don't believe me?
" Anyway, its not about men protecting women.."
Yes, it is, read the website.
" it's about men changing their attitudes so women don't need protecting. "
A literally impossible task. Were men to cease to exist, women would still face violence. That's human nature. Anyone who has lived in an all female environment can tell you that. Lesbian relationships involve rape and domestic violence at the same rates as straight ones.
This is real feminism. http://
"What would this party look like? Well, for a start, no men would be allowed."
Oh yes, Feminism is about equality for men - NO MEN ALLOWED. No contradiction there.
Pushing a political party with an extremist agenda; one whose leader famously proclaimed all women who have sex with men to be gender traitors. http://en.wikipedia.org/
Tuesday, 23 September 2014
The 'Emma Attack' debunked
Rantic.com, and emmayouarenext.com are hosted on the same server. They are connected to FoxWeekly, who where the first Website who broke the News about Emmayouarenext.
Foxweekly used to be a youtube spammer group named Swenzy (later "SocialVevo") and emmayouarenext.com resembles one of their previous schemes, a website with a countdown to a supposed announcement about the character Brian from Family Guy:
https://archive.today/QesFN
One of the few mentions of Rantic Marketing on google is an article on Foxweekly that was posted 5 days ago and has since been taken down:
https://archive.today/XzZ2T
Foxweekly "reported" on emmayouarenext.com:
https://archive.today/Z1wi3
This got picked up by mainstream media, who are pushing a narrative that Emma is being targeted by "4chan hackers" in retaliation for that feminist speech:
Washington Post: https://archive.today/zY3CR
BBC: https://archive.today/KiXpg
Some others:
https://archive.today/VMa3f
https://archive.today/rqkSf https://archive.today/eUoJV
Rantic Marketing claimed to have been "hacked by 4chan" before:
craveonline.ca/gaming/articles/751071-grand-theft-auto-v-pc-cancellation-rumor-debunked
In their willingness to "Listen and Believe" the feminist victimization narrative, the mainstream media have allowed themselves to be used in a viral marketing scheme.
http://imgur.com/NhFVA2X
dailydot.com/business/swenzy-foxweekly-news-hoax-time-cnn-social-media/
dailydot.com/business/socialvevo-family-guy-hoax-company/
Reblogged from http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/sep/23/feminists-rally-emma-watson-4chan-nude-photo-threats?commentpage=1
Author: Emily Green
Foxweekly used to be a youtube spammer group named Swenzy (later "SocialVevo") and emmayouarenext.com resembles one of their previous schemes, a website with a countdown to a supposed announcement about the character Brian from Family Guy:
https://archive.today/QesFN
One of the few mentions of Rantic Marketing on google is an article on Foxweekly that was posted 5 days ago and has since been taken down:
https://archive.today/XzZ2T
Foxweekly "reported" on emmayouarenext.com:
https://archive.today/Z1wi3
This got picked up by mainstream media, who are pushing a narrative that Emma is being targeted by "4chan hackers" in retaliation for that feminist speech:
Washington Post: https://archive.today/zY3CR
BBC: https://archive.today/KiXpg
Some others:
https://archive.today/VMa3f
https://archive.today/rqkSf https://archive.today/eUoJV
Rantic Marketing claimed to have been "hacked by 4chan" before:
craveonline.ca/gaming/articles/751071-grand-theft-auto-v-pc-cancellation-rumor-debunked
In their willingness to "Listen and Believe" the feminist victimization narrative, the mainstream media have allowed themselves to be used in a viral marketing scheme.
http://imgur.com/NhFVA2X
dailydot.com/business/swenzy-foxweekly-news-hoax-time-cnn-social-media/
dailydot.com/business/socialvevo-family-guy-hoax-company/
Reblogged from http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/sep/23/feminists-rally-emma-watson-4chan-nude-photo-threats?commentpage=1
Author: Emily Green
A reply to Neil Gaiman, and the HeForShe Gospel Revival Movement.
argentvulpine:
"all people are equal"<>" the advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men."
Women have the right not to be conscripted in Feminist countries.
Men do not have that right.
Feminism advocates women's rights to get all the things men have... but it never advocates men's rights to get all the things women have. Feminists do not fight for gender neutral conscription, although it was discussed in WW1, when it was pointed out that it would be logically consistent to do so. The right to vote was tied to the duty to protect the democracy.
So women got the right to vote without the duty. Men, who could not vote for the most part, still had the duty.
Thus, Feminism directly opposed egalitarianism.
The Concise Oxford Dictionary
Fifth Edition
p445
Feminism, n. Advocacy, extended recognition, of the claims of women. L. femina (woman) + -ISM.
It's interesting that before Feminism became the dominant strain of intellectual thought, it was NOT defined as having anything to do with equality, any more than a mining lobby lobbied for the rights of agricultural workers.
Now Feminists use the argument that since the current dictionaries use a definition they like ("Feminism stands for equality!" ), that that is 'proof' that Feminism stands for equality, and we should ignore the megatons of books by Feminists on why men are inferior scum, to be exterminated when the revolution comes.
Well, as George Orwell pointed out, totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling their thoughts, and they can do that if they control the language.
Who controls the dictionaries of today?
Why Feminists do, of course.
So Feminists write a dictionary which has a definition of Feminism as being cupcakes and rainbows. Are you against cupcakes and rainbows, citizen? Are you in need of a RE-EDUCATION?
We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia. See, it says it here.. how could this document lie?
They erase the past. They claim anyone who they admire was a Feminist before Feminism even existed. Then when it's convenient, they claim that known Feminists weren't 'True' Feminists. Despite the fact such people were recognised by their Feminist peers, had their works published in Feminist publishing houses, sold in Feminist bookstores and taught as Feminist literature in Feminist (Women's Studies) courses.
"What is the harm in advocating feminism?"
That argument has been used by every religion I have encountered, despite the fact that they are mutually incompatible. I wouldn't mind if Feminism would formally acknowledge that it is a religion, but then secular laws would cut it's privileged status as an ideology - so it will never do that, and it remains the de facto State Religion in Western Countries that are otherwise secular.
Which of course, http://www.heforshe.org/ demonstrated perfectly. If it was a call to become a southern Baptist or a Muslim, scarcely anything would need to be changed.
So tell me - what is the harm in believing something to be true, just because you want it to be true?
Maybe the truth is important, after all? Golly Geeee!
"And while men do not “owe” women service, neither do women “owe” men service"
You didn't read the website. You are defending it - but you are too lazy to have read it.
There is NOTHING there except an admonition for men to join up, join up - or take the White Feather.
It's just The White Feather Movement all over again.. jeez, Feminists, you are just repeating yourselves now!
But the Pankhursts are long dead, and we men have changed.
We will not be shamed into your army.
We will not die for you.
brett-caton:Se, even by your idiotic argument by dictionary, you messed up.neil-gaiman:I think you are missing the point.http://www.heforshe.org/No, I’ll fight it as an egalitarian and a human being.
Supporting it as a feminist and as a human being…
(Photo by Amanda Palmer)
Men do not owe women service.
Saying you are egalitarian is the same as saying you are a feminist, while at the same time belittling women.fem·i·nismˈfeməˌnizÉ™m/noun
What is the harm in advocating feminism?
And while men do not “owe” women service, neither do women “owe” men service, yet it is entirely expected of us. So on the grounds of equality, we should feel entirely within our rights to expect it of you. Perhaps if you listened to Emma Watson’s address to the UN, you would understand that she is asking you to support humanity, because without men advocating equality (and stressing that women are and have always been on the lesser side of it) then we cannot succeed in achieving it.
This kind of ideology is what’s hurting us in the first place. Feminism is “bad” because it is women advocating for the right to be seen as equals. But once you label it egalitarian, even if you are pushing for the same thing, if you are a man you will be praised for having a good moral compass. What sense does that make? How does that seem fair to you?
Grow a spine and fight for the women in your life who matter to you, because until their voices are just as loud as yours, your voice is the only one people will listen to.
"Saying you are egalitarian is the same as saying you are a feminist"
No. Saying I'm egalitarian is definitely not the same as saying I'm a Feminist. There are prodigious examples of anti-egalitarian Feminists. But even if every Feminist on Earth was egalitarian, always had been, always would be, it would still not equate the two.
" while at the same time belittling women."
I'm sorry, but since when are all women Feminists? Or vice versa? Nice try tho'. It's always important to try an invoke that old gender role, where men leap to the defense of women.
Well, that's done. Feminism happened. We are equals. I don't see women jumping onto grenades for me, why should I do it for them?I am not disposable.
fem·i·nism
'fem??niz?m/
noun
the advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.
synonyms:the women’s movement, the feminist movement, women’s liberation,female emancipation, women’s rights;
informalwomen’s lib
"a longtime advocate of feminism"
Ah yes, argument by dictionary. Trouble is you futzed it up. If you are going to cherry-pick an example of a dictionary definition to support your argument, couldn't you have done a better job?e·gal·i·tar·i·aniËŒgaləˈterÄ“É™n/adjective
"all people are equal"<>" the advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men."
A real world example.
Women have the right not to be conscripted in Feminist countries.
Men do not have that right.
Feminism advocates women's rights to get all the things men have... but it never advocates men's rights to get all the things women have. Feminists do not fight for gender neutral conscription, although it was discussed in WW1, when it was pointed out that it would be logically consistent to do so. The right to vote was tied to the duty to protect the democracy.
So women got the right to vote without the duty. Men, who could not vote for the most part, still had the duty.
Thus, Feminism directly opposed egalitarianism.
The Concise Oxford Dictionary
Fifth Edition
p445
Feminism, n. Advocacy, extended recognition, of the claims of women. L. femina (woman) + -ISM.
It's interesting that before Feminism became the dominant strain of intellectual thought, it was NOT defined as having anything to do with equality, any more than a mining lobby lobbied for the rights of agricultural workers.
Now Feminists use the argument that since the current dictionaries use a definition they like ("Feminism stands for equality!" ), that that is 'proof' that Feminism stands for equality, and we should ignore the megatons of books by Feminists on why men are inferior scum, to be exterminated when the revolution comes.
Well, as George Orwell pointed out, totalitarian regimes control the people by controlling their thoughts, and they can do that if they control the language.
Who controls the dictionaries of today?
Why Feminists do, of course.
So Feminists write a dictionary which has a definition of Feminism as being cupcakes and rainbows. Are you against cupcakes and rainbows, citizen? Are you in need of a RE-EDUCATION?
They erase the past. They claim anyone who they admire was a Feminist before Feminism even existed. Then when it's convenient, they claim that known Feminists weren't 'True' Feminists. Despite the fact such people were recognised by their Feminist peers, had their works published in Feminist publishing houses, sold in Feminist bookstores and taught as Feminist literature in Feminist (Women's Studies) courses.
"What is the harm in advocating feminism?"
That argument has been used by every religion I have encountered, despite the fact that they are mutually incompatible. I wouldn't mind if Feminism would formally acknowledge that it is a religion, but then secular laws would cut it's privileged status as an ideology - so it will never do that, and it remains the de facto State Religion in Western Countries that are otherwise secular.
Which of course, http://www.heforshe.org/ demonstrated perfectly. If it was a call to become a southern Baptist or a Muslim, scarcely anything would need to be changed.
So tell me - what is the harm in believing something to be true, just because you want it to be true?
Maybe the truth is important, after all? Golly Geeee!
"And while men do not “owe” women service, neither do women “owe” men service"
You didn't read the website. You are defending it - but you are too lazy to have read it.
The HeForShe Commitment
Gender equality is not only a women’s issue, it is a human rights issue that requires my participation. I commit to take action against all forms of violence and discrimination faced by women and girls.
There is NOTHING there except an admonition for men to join up, join up - or take the White Feather.
It's just The White Feather Movement all over again.. jeez, Feminists, you are just repeating yourselves now!
But the Pankhursts are long dead, and we men have changed.
We will not be shamed into your army.
We will not die for you.
Emma Plugs New Improved Feminism! Now less genocidal!
listener-blue:
"Today we are launching a campaign HeForShe."
Ok, so what's that all about?
http://www.heforshe.org/
So right from the getgo, it's made clear that she is launching a conversion drive. She wants men to sign up, without thinking, just commit, don't question!
Commit to equality? commit to men's human rights?
Of course not, silly, Men aren't really human beings! We need to protect the real people. "women and girls."
This whole speech is bait and switch. It sounds like she's selling a more egalitarian feminism, when it's more of the same. Men must learn to erase needs. To erase their hopes . They live for de wimmin! They die for de wimmin! All hail Mistress Watson! Kowtow! Kowtow!
"All over the world, men are taking a stand for gender equality."
Where equality clearly excludes male needs. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
"See how many men in your country have committed."
Have you been saved by Jebus? Hallelujah! Praise de Lawd!
"Join them and move your country into the lead."
(*cue rowsing gospel music*)
lumforjustice:What does she actually say?I agree Emma’s logic is flawed, but believing in the wage gap isn’t misandry…? Like, that’s not man-hating in any way, shape, or form.Yeah I have to agree. She didn’t blame any women’s issues on men, did she? Did I miss that part of the speech?
Women aren’t respected the same way men aren’t.
That entirely depends on the situation and the area.
None of these are misandry, but I do agree they are flawed, especially the first one.
I agree some of what she said was ill informed. But misandry? No.
"Today we are launching a campaign HeForShe."
Ok, so what's that all about?
"The HeForShe Commitment
Gender equality is not only a women’s issue, it is a human rights issue that requires my participation. I commit to take action against all forms of violence and discrimination faced by women and girls."So right from the getgo, it's made clear that she is launching a conversion drive. She wants men to sign up, without thinking, just commit, don't question!
Commit to equality? commit to men's human rights?
Of course not, silly, Men aren't really human beings! We need to protect the real people. "women and girls."
This whole speech is bait and switch. It sounds like she's selling a more egalitarian feminism, when it's more of the same. Men must learn to erase needs. To erase their hopes . They live for de wimmin! They die for de wimmin! All hail Mistress Watson! Kowtow! Kowtow!
"All over the world, men are taking a stand for gender equality."
Where equality clearly excludes male needs. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
"See how many men in your country have committed."
Have you been saved by Jebus? Hallelujah! Praise de Lawd!
"Join them and move your country into the lead."
(*cue rowsing gospel music*)
Onward, Feminist soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the book of Dworkin
Going on before.
Watson, magic Mistress,
Sends us 'gainst the foe;
Shamed into suicide,
To our doom we go!
"For the record, feminism by definition is the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities."
Statement of her opinion as if it is established fact - despite the readiness of counter-examples. This is normal for propaganda. I wonder who wrote this for her?
"When I was 8, I was called bossy "
Well, yes. Hermoine was conceived of as a bossy character; that's what the author has said. So they were looking for a bossy character.
Someone like Hermoine. Someone who talked down to people, who viewed them with contempt.
Hmm. I guess they found a pretty good match.
"But my recent research has shown me that feminism has become an unpopular word."
Only recent?
"Women are choosing not to identify as feminists."
OMG, people make choices that Emma doesn't approve of! She's going to fix them! She's going to tell them how stupid they are to disagree! That's not bossy at all...
"I think it is right I am paid the same as my male counterparts. "
So what? Current Feminism has nothing to do with her incredible salary.
"I think it is right that I should be able to make decisions about my own body."
Which somehow doesn't include the right for men to do the same - or is she going to fight for any of the myriad male problems where they don't have control over their own bodies?
MGM, conscription, being forced to work for a woman's benefit, even when she raped you, even when she raped you as a little boy, or even when a genetic test that you are banned from would reveal the child has nothing to do with you.
"But sadly, I can say that there is no one country in the world where all women can expect to see these rights."
She's never heard of England? Or the USA? Maybe she thinks she's still in Hogwarts?
"My school did not limit me because I was a girl."
No, they were too busy limiting every boy they could get their hands on. Which you never object to; how peculiar.
"My mentors didn't assume that I would go less far because I might give birth to a child one day."
So they assumed that any other person who worked exactly the same hours, same aptitude, same intensity, would still only get the same wages, despite working away as you left employment to focus on your own pleasure?
That sounds like equality to you?
Emma is actually saying that she deserves to be paid even when she's not working, but another worker won't get that unless they can bear a child. Bad luck if you're barren! You have to subsidise the breeders!
"In 1997, Hillary Clinton made a famous speech in Beijing about women’s rights. "
Was that the one where she said that male deaths were insignificant compared to female ones? Where male suicide didn't matter?
"What struck me the most was that less than 30% of the audience were male. "
They were stuck there. Very few males really want a woman to tell they how awful they are because they have a Y chromosome. Clinton is Dworkin with nuclear weapons. Nuclear fucking weapons. In the hands of someone who thinks male deaths are meaningless.
That's not going to end well. Maybe the men were off building bunkers.
"How can we effect change in the world when only half of it is invited or being welcomed to participate in the conversation?"
You could have a chat to the Feminists who are screaming "#KillAllMen"? Just a thought? Maybe stop the Feminist lable being printed on books like "The Female Man", or denounce "The Scum Manifesto" or Dworkin, or MacKinnon, or Greer... or... no, you're not going to do any of that.
What you mean is "why are men so stupid they don't realise they need us to tell them what to think?"
" Gender equality is your issue, too."
Yes, we noticed, we formed our movement, nice of you to notice - oh, you didn't, never mind.
"Because to date, I’ve seen my father’s role as a parent being valued less by society. "
Yes, which is the responsibility of which political movement? I'll give you a clue: Tender Years Doctrine.... not ringing any bells, Emma? That's history? You've never read history? Your knowledge of Feminism is entirely based on what Feminists wrote in a script for you?
Oh fair enough - sorry, I thought you had a degree and could research things, my bad.
"We don’t often talk about men being imprisoned by gender stereotypes but I can see that they are."
No, you want to co-opt the egalitarian movement and don't give a shit about men.
"If men don’t have to be aggressive in order to be accepted, women won’t feel compelled to be submissive. If men don’t have to control, women won’t have to be controlled."
As you point out right there. It's all about women.
"It is time that we all see gender as a spectrum instead of two sets of opposing ideals. "
For one thing, most of us are perfectly happy to be what our bodies describe us. Most males are biologically male, most females female. There's no spectrum. Which is why trans can be so distressing - to look at the mirror and see the body is wrong, it doesn't match what you know to be true. It's why trans people commit suicide.
And your spectrum speech is in direct contradiction to science. Men and women, despite Feminist ideology, think differently. Your assumption that men are inferior doesn't work out so well either - if there are no men or women, how is it we need Feminism at all - a movement that exists to lobby for power for women?
" We can all be freer and this is what HeForShe is about."
No it isn't. Didn't even look at the website, didya Emma?
"Statesman Edmund Burke said all that is need for the forces of evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing."
Whereas you prefer to be actively evil. Kudos, dear! Stand up for your right to be wicked!
"it will take 75 years or maybe 100 before women can expect to be paid the same as men for the same work."
No, it will take no time at all, because if you have any fucking evidence, Emma, you go to the cops and you report the crime. It's been illegal since before you were born, and possible your parents as well. You really couldn't be stuffed researching, could you? Not even a few items off this long list of grievances.
"And at current rates, it won't be until 2086 before all rural African girls can have a secondary education."
And you just erased all the boys. Is it because Feminism works very hard to decrease male education, so the likely figure from a projection is full exclusion?
"If you believe in equality, you might be one of the inadvertent feminists I spoke of earlier and for this I appraud you."
(appraud is from the transcript, and I rather hope she did say just that)
So again, she wants to coopt people. If you believe in being nice, you are a Budhist! Give us yer money then! You like sharing! Welcome comrade, you is a communist! Gi'us yer money!
It's a con, a very old con.
"We must strive for a united world but the good news is we have a platform. It is called HeForShe. " (plugs product: now with more Snake Oil!)
CROWD EXPLODES INTO MINDLESS BLEATING.
[Exeunt, Hermoine, dragging a boy by the ear. He'll listen, if she has to beat it into him]
Transcript from http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/us-canada/69776-video-emma-watson-un
"For the record, feminism by definition is the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities."
Statement of her opinion as if it is established fact - despite the readiness of counter-examples. This is normal for propaganda. I wonder who wrote this for her?
"When I was 8, I was called bossy "
Well, yes. Hermoine was conceived of as a bossy character; that's what the author has said. So they were looking for a bossy character.
Someone like Hermoine. Someone who talked down to people, who viewed them with contempt.Hmm. I guess they found a pretty good match.
"But my recent research has shown me that feminism has become an unpopular word."
Only recent?
"Women are choosing not to identify as feminists."
OMG, people make choices that Emma doesn't approve of! She's going to fix them! She's going to tell them how stupid they are to disagree! That's not bossy at all...
"I think it is right I am paid the same as my male counterparts. "
So what? Current Feminism has nothing to do with her incredible salary.
"I think it is right that I should be able to make decisions about my own body."
Which somehow doesn't include the right for men to do the same - or is she going to fight for any of the myriad male problems where they don't have control over their own bodies?
MGM, conscription, being forced to work for a woman's benefit, even when she raped you, even when she raped you as a little boy, or even when a genetic test that you are banned from would reveal the child has nothing to do with you.
"But sadly, I can say that there is no one country in the world where all women can expect to see these rights."
She's never heard of England? Or the USA? Maybe she thinks she's still in Hogwarts?
"My school did not limit me because I was a girl."
No, they were too busy limiting every boy they could get their hands on. Which you never object to; how peculiar.
"My mentors didn't assume that I would go less far because I might give birth to a child one day."
So they assumed that any other person who worked exactly the same hours, same aptitude, same intensity, would still only get the same wages, despite working away as you left employment to focus on your own pleasure?
That sounds like equality to you?
Emma is actually saying that she deserves to be paid even when she's not working, but another worker won't get that unless they can bear a child. Bad luck if you're barren! You have to subsidise the breeders!
"In 1997, Hillary Clinton made a famous speech in Beijing about women’s rights. "
Was that the one where she said that male deaths were insignificant compared to female ones? Where male suicide didn't matter?
"What struck me the most was that less than 30% of the audience were male. "
They were stuck there. Very few males really want a woman to tell they how awful they are because they have a Y chromosome. Clinton is Dworkin with nuclear weapons. Nuclear fucking weapons. In the hands of someone who thinks male deaths are meaningless.
That's not going to end well. Maybe the men were off building bunkers.
"How can we effect change in the world when only half of it is invited or being welcomed to participate in the conversation?"
You could have a chat to the Feminists who are screaming "#KillAllMen"? Just a thought? Maybe stop the Feminist lable being printed on books like "The Female Man", or denounce "The Scum Manifesto" or Dworkin, or MacKinnon, or Greer... or... no, you're not going to do any of that.
What you mean is "why are men so stupid they don't realise they need us to tell them what to think?"
" Gender equality is your issue, too."
Yes, we noticed, we formed our movement, nice of you to notice - oh, you didn't, never mind.
"Because to date, I’ve seen my father’s role as a parent being valued less by society. "
Yes, which is the responsibility of which political movement? I'll give you a clue: Tender Years Doctrine.... not ringing any bells, Emma? That's history? You've never read history? Your knowledge of Feminism is entirely based on what Feminists wrote in a script for you?
Oh fair enough - sorry, I thought you had a degree and could research things, my bad.
"We don’t often talk about men being imprisoned by gender stereotypes but I can see that they are."
No, you want to co-opt the egalitarian movement and don't give a shit about men.
"If men don’t have to be aggressive in order to be accepted, women won’t feel compelled to be submissive. If men don’t have to control, women won’t have to be controlled."
As you point out right there. It's all about women.
"It is time that we all see gender as a spectrum instead of two sets of opposing ideals. "
For one thing, most of us are perfectly happy to be what our bodies describe us. Most males are biologically male, most females female. There's no spectrum. Which is why trans can be so distressing - to look at the mirror and see the body is wrong, it doesn't match what you know to be true. It's why trans people commit suicide.
And your spectrum speech is in direct contradiction to science. Men and women, despite Feminist ideology, think differently. Your assumption that men are inferior doesn't work out so well either - if there are no men or women, how is it we need Feminism at all - a movement that exists to lobby for power for women?
" We can all be freer and this is what HeForShe is about."
No it isn't. Didn't even look at the website, didya Emma?
"Statesman Edmund Burke said all that is need for the forces of evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing."
Whereas you prefer to be actively evil. Kudos, dear! Stand up for your right to be wicked!
"it will take 75 years or maybe 100 before women can expect to be paid the same as men for the same work."
No, it will take no time at all, because if you have any fucking evidence, Emma, you go to the cops and you report the crime. It's been illegal since before you were born, and possible your parents as well. You really couldn't be stuffed researching, could you? Not even a few items off this long list of grievances.
"And at current rates, it won't be until 2086 before all rural African girls can have a secondary education."
And you just erased all the boys. Is it because Feminism works very hard to decrease male education, so the likely figure from a projection is full exclusion?
"If you believe in equality, you might be one of the inadvertent feminists I spoke of earlier and for this I appraud you."
(appraud is from the transcript, and I rather hope she did say just that)
So again, she wants to coopt people. If you believe in being nice, you are a Budhist! Give us yer money then! You like sharing! Welcome comrade, you is a communist! Gi'us yer money!
It's a con, a very old con.
"We must strive for a united world but the good news is we have a platform. It is called HeForShe. " (plugs product: now with more Snake Oil!)
CROWD EXPLODES INTO MINDLESS BLEATING.
[Exeunt, Hermoine, dragging a boy by the ear. He'll listen, if she has to beat it into him]
Transcript from http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/us-canada/69776-video-emma-watson-un
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Monday, 22 September 2014
An Open Letter to Emma Watson
http://naughtynerdess.tumblr.com/post/98184739316/an-open-letter-to-emma-watson
Dear Emma Watson,
I was not raised a celebrity. I can say that my life has been very different from yours. I am a woman living in America. I have not attended a fine University like Brown as you did. I have known abuse, I have been molested. I have known hardship and depression. But there is something you should know. I don’t need feminism.
Maybe you can’t understand why this might be so. How someone like me who has in the past been suicidal and faced such turmoil could say that I do not need something that is supposed to help the whole world.
I want you to know that I am neither religious nor someone politically conservative, and I say this because many have accused me of this stance for merely disagreeing with feminism. Your idea of feminism is certainly beautiful, but it is not the reality of the woman’s movement today nor was it the reality of the past.
That is what saddens me. When I was younger I got it into my head that I needed to be strong and empowered and eventually I got there, but when I finally met other feminists I did not see a group of strong self-reliant women infront of me. I saw women who wanted others to do the work for them.
They did not understand that empowerment is something that only you can bring to yourself. People can talk all day about women doing great things. People can give them thousands of dollars of grant money, but it all means nothing if these women won’t do the work themselves. Therein lies the problem of the feminist ideology. It preaches that we must empower women but never asks women to empower themselves or demands that they become capable and self-reliant.
I don’t think that many in the west disagree that women are deserving of all the rights and privileges of men. The truth is far more sinister. I don’t often hear men say that women don’t deserve these things by any stretch of the imagination. The majority of people I hear saying that women are oppressed are feminists.
I don’t see it in the actions of men in the population save for the percentage of the population that engages in violent crime. There will always be meanspirited people. There will always be some people that commit violent acts against their fellow humans, and that is not gendered. Feminism can not fix these things.
You can not fix the portion of humanity that does not care about others and do not care if people are harmed. They are not people that can be persuaded.
The reason that women detach themselves from the label of feminist, has nothing to do with the idea of women’s rights being radical. It isn’t, it makes logical sense. The problem lies with the actions of feminists and actions going beyond achieving the privileges men have. There are man-hating feminists and the narrative that men can stop things like sexual assault is what starts it.
When you say that men can stop sexual assault on their own you are imagining men as one big group that congregates together and can stop the sociopathic individuals that predate on others. Sexual assault is not a mistake, or a lapse in judgment. It is not something learned or taught to rapists by society. It is instead a rejection of society. It persists in spite of those who preach equal treatment.
This narrative erases victims of female predators who operate like male sexual predators and exist in greater numbers than you would expect. The problem is that because feminism preaches that men are the abusers that can stop rape, it erases men and women who are victimized by women. Even worse, these women do not face jail time equal to that of their male counterparts. That is not equal treatment and that is not justice.
Painting women as victims does not help them to be seen as the equals of men. It makes them appear weak which is contrary to that which feminism says it wants to accomplish. Because of that you have female predators out of jail after only a few months ready to prey on their next victim.
This is not the story that modern feminism wishes to tell. It is not the story that it wishes to acknowledge. It won’t mention women in “oppressed” countries rising to the occasion in spite of everything. It won’t mention that women in these “oppressed” countries enter STEM fields in greater number to those of the west or that many of them are strong in their own right. Feminism didn’t make them so.
Instead feminism preaches, Look at those women, they are victims, we have to get men to save them. Is that not the worst thing you could do? Are you not continuing gender stereotypes in assuming that men need to be the ones to empower women? Is it not harmful to tell a woman that she is not strong enough on her own, and that she needs all these other women to empower her?
Women won’t identify as feminists because the women within feminism rely so much on the sisterhood that they do not pursue self-reliance. These women do not heal when they’ve been victimized because the sisterhood tells them that it’s fine to live as a perpetual victim instead of a survivor.
These feminists do not live up to your lofty ideals. The feminists who govern these groups are often corrupt and profit directly from keeping women victims. They profit from the narrative that men are the aggressors and women are victims.
If you are looking for gender equality in them you will not find it. This is the problem. The majority of women feel alienated from modern feminism because it is not providing the equality that many of them so desperately crave and it ignores the women who use this ideology to further their own ends.
Instead it is the cause for much of the disparity. Policies meant to help women, fail in one major respect. Because they often assume women in general to have a kind of moral superiority. It does not assume that women can act immorally in ways that are equivalent to men. Laws like the Violence against women act in the United States presume men to be the aggressor even when men are calling to report violence against them by their partners.
If you want to help women to be seen as equal to men, we must acknowledge that they are just as capable of vice as their male counterparts and must face equal consequences. If you want real equality, you must dismantle gender bias against men and benevolent sexism against women perpetuated by the legal system.
Women must be willing to take the higher paying dangerous jobs men take. They must be willing to be held accountable and we must be willing to hold them accountable in the way we hold men to be accountable.
We must acknowledge that the disparity mentioned most often by feminists can be accounted for, by things like life choices and economic mobility. Poverty accounts for much of the problems of third world countries. War brings poverty and violence to these countries, harming men and women in different, but equally horrific ways. Yet women are the ones most likely to receive money and aid.
Child brides arise out of necessity first in impoverished countries. Families can not afford to feed all of their children and as a result are married off young to keep families afloat. In the minds of those parents they are making certain that she is fed and clothed. You want to help women? Then acknowledge that the problem is a toxic mix of ignorance, tradition, and crippling poverty in countries that are often war-torn that drive these problems and not a lack of chivalry.
It is difficult for women to even dream of a future when their families can barely afford to feed them. How can women get ahead when their clothes are rotting off their bodies and their brothers are being drawn into war because it’s their only hope of making some kind of change.
Feminism can not put food on their tables or stop those wars. Because it is attempting to treat the symptoms of these problems and not the disease. You want to help people? Then wake up! We don’t need chivary! We need honesty! Life is hell for the impoverished, it cultivates victims and criminal behavior.
Those people are in pain, and the discussion as to how to help them begins when we have honest discussions about how men and women both suffer in equal degrees, but the source is this toxic mix of human problems that we’ve yet to solve. Some of which we may never solve. Treating the symptoms is failing.
We must approach the source and come to creative solutions, because as it stands people are dividing themselves over the belief that everyone can be an oppressor or that people are being oppressed in the first world. The wage gap has long since been debunked. Single childless women often out earn men because they make different choices now. They can wait longer to have children due to technological advances, so they make career orientated decisions that allow them to get ahead.
The greatest determination of poverty for a woman is how many children she has and when she has them. Women often make work decisions based upon wanting to spend time with her children. So she’s more likely to take time off to tend to her sick children, to leave work early to pick up the kids, or to get them to things like soccer practice.
This all adds up and that is a major contributor to the disparity in the wage gap and not gender discrimination. When you compare many of the well paying jobs men take to something like being a kindergarten teacher, there is an obvious difference in pay. The studies speaking of a massive pay gap rely on lifetime studies which don’t account for differences in job, whether these women have children, or choose careers that pay less but make them happy.
The key to aiding this problem may well be in making birth control available to men and women and allowing them to choose when to be parents. That will also reduce the population in many problem areas and make it possible for people to do better with the same amount of resources. But it will be difficult and many religious groups simply will not allow it.
But you will likely find the key to aiding poverty stricken people is in advancing science and technology overall, and in safe, effective, affordable, and readily available birth control methods for men and women. The recognition of science and it’s continued progression is the only thing that can move us in that direction.
So I ask that instead of funding campaigns to promote chivalrous behavior in men, that you fund the people that will make that line of reasoning obsolete. I ask that you fund science and technology.
Thank you for your time and I hope that you will consider what I have written.
Sincerely,
Rachel Marie Edwards
Dear Emma Watson,
I was not raised a celebrity. I can say that my life has been very different from yours. I am a woman living in America. I have not attended a fine University like Brown as you did. I have known abuse, I have been molested. I have known hardship and depression. But there is something you should know. I don’t need feminism.
Maybe you can’t understand why this might be so. How someone like me who has in the past been suicidal and faced such turmoil could say that I do not need something that is supposed to help the whole world.
I want you to know that I am neither religious nor someone politically conservative, and I say this because many have accused me of this stance for merely disagreeing with feminism. Your idea of feminism is certainly beautiful, but it is not the reality of the woman’s movement today nor was it the reality of the past.
That is what saddens me. When I was younger I got it into my head that I needed to be strong and empowered and eventually I got there, but when I finally met other feminists I did not see a group of strong self-reliant women infront of me. I saw women who wanted others to do the work for them.
They did not understand that empowerment is something that only you can bring to yourself. People can talk all day about women doing great things. People can give them thousands of dollars of grant money, but it all means nothing if these women won’t do the work themselves. Therein lies the problem of the feminist ideology. It preaches that we must empower women but never asks women to empower themselves or demands that they become capable and self-reliant.
I don’t think that many in the west disagree that women are deserving of all the rights and privileges of men. The truth is far more sinister. I don’t often hear men say that women don’t deserve these things by any stretch of the imagination. The majority of people I hear saying that women are oppressed are feminists.
I don’t see it in the actions of men in the population save for the percentage of the population that engages in violent crime. There will always be meanspirited people. There will always be some people that commit violent acts against their fellow humans, and that is not gendered. Feminism can not fix these things.
You can not fix the portion of humanity that does not care about others and do not care if people are harmed. They are not people that can be persuaded.
The reason that women detach themselves from the label of feminist, has nothing to do with the idea of women’s rights being radical. It isn’t, it makes logical sense. The problem lies with the actions of feminists and actions going beyond achieving the privileges men have. There are man-hating feminists and the narrative that men can stop things like sexual assault is what starts it.
When you say that men can stop sexual assault on their own you are imagining men as one big group that congregates together and can stop the sociopathic individuals that predate on others. Sexual assault is not a mistake, or a lapse in judgment. It is not something learned or taught to rapists by society. It is instead a rejection of society. It persists in spite of those who preach equal treatment.
This narrative erases victims of female predators who operate like male sexual predators and exist in greater numbers than you would expect. The problem is that because feminism preaches that men are the abusers that can stop rape, it erases men and women who are victimized by women. Even worse, these women do not face jail time equal to that of their male counterparts. That is not equal treatment and that is not justice.
Painting women as victims does not help them to be seen as the equals of men. It makes them appear weak which is contrary to that which feminism says it wants to accomplish. Because of that you have female predators out of jail after only a few months ready to prey on their next victim.
This is not the story that modern feminism wishes to tell. It is not the story that it wishes to acknowledge. It won’t mention women in “oppressed” countries rising to the occasion in spite of everything. It won’t mention that women in these “oppressed” countries enter STEM fields in greater number to those of the west or that many of them are strong in their own right. Feminism didn’t make them so.
Instead feminism preaches, Look at those women, they are victims, we have to get men to save them. Is that not the worst thing you could do? Are you not continuing gender stereotypes in assuming that men need to be the ones to empower women? Is it not harmful to tell a woman that she is not strong enough on her own, and that she needs all these other women to empower her?
Women won’t identify as feminists because the women within feminism rely so much on the sisterhood that they do not pursue self-reliance. These women do not heal when they’ve been victimized because the sisterhood tells them that it’s fine to live as a perpetual victim instead of a survivor.
These feminists do not live up to your lofty ideals. The feminists who govern these groups are often corrupt and profit directly from keeping women victims. They profit from the narrative that men are the aggressors and women are victims.
If you are looking for gender equality in them you will not find it. This is the problem. The majority of women feel alienated from modern feminism because it is not providing the equality that many of them so desperately crave and it ignores the women who use this ideology to further their own ends.
Instead it is the cause for much of the disparity. Policies meant to help women, fail in one major respect. Because they often assume women in general to have a kind of moral superiority. It does not assume that women can act immorally in ways that are equivalent to men. Laws like the Violence against women act in the United States presume men to be the aggressor even when men are calling to report violence against them by their partners.
If you want to help women to be seen as equal to men, we must acknowledge that they are just as capable of vice as their male counterparts and must face equal consequences. If you want real equality, you must dismantle gender bias against men and benevolent sexism against women perpetuated by the legal system.
Women must be willing to take the higher paying dangerous jobs men take. They must be willing to be held accountable and we must be willing to hold them accountable in the way we hold men to be accountable.
We must acknowledge that the disparity mentioned most often by feminists can be accounted for, by things like life choices and economic mobility. Poverty accounts for much of the problems of third world countries. War brings poverty and violence to these countries, harming men and women in different, but equally horrific ways. Yet women are the ones most likely to receive money and aid.
Child brides arise out of necessity first in impoverished countries. Families can not afford to feed all of their children and as a result are married off young to keep families afloat. In the minds of those parents they are making certain that she is fed and clothed. You want to help women? Then acknowledge that the problem is a toxic mix of ignorance, tradition, and crippling poverty in countries that are often war-torn that drive these problems and not a lack of chivalry.
It is difficult for women to even dream of a future when their families can barely afford to feed them. How can women get ahead when their clothes are rotting off their bodies and their brothers are being drawn into war because it’s their only hope of making some kind of change.
Feminism can not put food on their tables or stop those wars. Because it is attempting to treat the symptoms of these problems and not the disease. You want to help people? Then wake up! We don’t need chivary! We need honesty! Life is hell for the impoverished, it cultivates victims and criminal behavior.
Those people are in pain, and the discussion as to how to help them begins when we have honest discussions about how men and women both suffer in equal degrees, but the source is this toxic mix of human problems that we’ve yet to solve. Some of which we may never solve. Treating the symptoms is failing.
We must approach the source and come to creative solutions, because as it stands people are dividing themselves over the belief that everyone can be an oppressor or that people are being oppressed in the first world. The wage gap has long since been debunked. Single childless women often out earn men because they make different choices now. They can wait longer to have children due to technological advances, so they make career orientated decisions that allow them to get ahead.
The greatest determination of poverty for a woman is how many children she has and when she has them. Women often make work decisions based upon wanting to spend time with her children. So she’s more likely to take time off to tend to her sick children, to leave work early to pick up the kids, or to get them to things like soccer practice.
This all adds up and that is a major contributor to the disparity in the wage gap and not gender discrimination. When you compare many of the well paying jobs men take to something like being a kindergarten teacher, there is an obvious difference in pay. The studies speaking of a massive pay gap rely on lifetime studies which don’t account for differences in job, whether these women have children, or choose careers that pay less but make them happy.
The key to aiding this problem may well be in making birth control available to men and women and allowing them to choose when to be parents. That will also reduce the population in many problem areas and make it possible for people to do better with the same amount of resources. But it will be difficult and many religious groups simply will not allow it.
But you will likely find the key to aiding poverty stricken people is in advancing science and technology overall, and in safe, effective, affordable, and readily available birth control methods for men and women. The recognition of science and it’s continued progression is the only thing that can move us in that direction.
So I ask that instead of funding campaigns to promote chivalrous behavior in men, that you fund the people that will make that line of reasoning obsolete. I ask that you fund science and technology.
Thank you for your time and I hope that you will consider what I have written.
Sincerely,
Rachel Marie Edwards
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