lumforjustice:What does she actually say?I agree Emma’s logic is flawed, but believing in the wage gap isn’t misandry…? Like, that’s not man-hating in any way, shape, or form.Yeah I have to agree. She didn’t blame any women’s issues on men, did she? Did I miss that part of the speech?
Women aren’t respected the same way men aren’t.
That entirely depends on the situation and the area.
None of these are misandry, but I do agree they are flawed, especially the first one.
I agree some of what she said was ill informed. But misandry? No.
"Today we are launching a campaign HeForShe."
Ok, so what's that all about?
"The HeForShe Commitment
Gender equality is not only a women’s issue, it is a human rights issue that requires my participation. I commit to take action against all forms of violence and discrimination faced by women and girls."So right from the getgo, it's made clear that she is launching a conversion drive. She wants men to sign up, without thinking, just commit, don't question!
Commit to equality? commit to men's human rights?
Of course not, silly, Men aren't really human beings! We need to protect the real people. "women and girls."
This whole speech is bait and switch. It sounds like she's selling a more egalitarian feminism, when it's more of the same. Men must learn to erase needs. To erase their hopes . They live for de wimmin! They die for de wimmin! All hail Mistress Watson! Kowtow! Kowtow!
"All over the world, men are taking a stand for gender equality."
Where equality clearly excludes male needs. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
"See how many men in your country have committed."
Have you been saved by Jebus? Hallelujah! Praise de Lawd!
"Join them and move your country into the lead."
(*cue rowsing gospel music*)
Onward, Feminist soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the book of Dworkin
Going on before.
Watson, magic Mistress,
Sends us 'gainst the foe;
Shamed into suicide,
To our doom we go!
"For the record, feminism by definition is the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities."
Statement of her opinion as if it is established fact - despite the readiness of counter-examples. This is normal for propaganda. I wonder who wrote this for her?
"When I was 8, I was called bossy "
Well, yes. Hermoine was conceived of as a bossy character; that's what the author has said. So they were looking for a bossy character.
Someone like Hermoine. Someone who talked down to people, who viewed them with contempt.
Hmm. I guess they found a pretty good match.
"But my recent research has shown me that feminism has become an unpopular word."
Only recent?
"Women are choosing not to identify as feminists."
OMG, people make choices that Emma doesn't approve of! She's going to fix them! She's going to tell them how stupid they are to disagree! That's not bossy at all...
"I think it is right I am paid the same as my male counterparts. "
So what? Current Feminism has nothing to do with her incredible salary.
"I think it is right that I should be able to make decisions about my own body."
Which somehow doesn't include the right for men to do the same - or is she going to fight for any of the myriad male problems where they don't have control over their own bodies?
MGM, conscription, being forced to work for a woman's benefit, even when she raped you, even when she raped you as a little boy, or even when a genetic test that you are banned from would reveal the child has nothing to do with you.
"But sadly, I can say that there is no one country in the world where all women can expect to see these rights."
She's never heard of England? Or the USA? Maybe she thinks she's still in Hogwarts?
"My school did not limit me because I was a girl."
No, they were too busy limiting every boy they could get their hands on. Which you never object to; how peculiar.
"My mentors didn't assume that I would go less far because I might give birth to a child one day."
So they assumed that any other person who worked exactly the same hours, same aptitude, same intensity, would still only get the same wages, despite working away as you left employment to focus on your own pleasure?
That sounds like equality to you?
Emma is actually saying that she deserves to be paid even when she's not working, but another worker won't get that unless they can bear a child. Bad luck if you're barren! You have to subsidise the breeders!
"In 1997, Hillary Clinton made a famous speech in Beijing about women’s rights. "
Was that the one where she said that male deaths were insignificant compared to female ones? Where male suicide didn't matter?
"What struck me the most was that less than 30% of the audience were male. "
They were stuck there. Very few males really want a woman to tell they how awful they are because they have a Y chromosome. Clinton is Dworkin with nuclear weapons. Nuclear fucking weapons. In the hands of someone who thinks male deaths are meaningless.
That's not going to end well. Maybe the men were off building bunkers.
"How can we effect change in the world when only half of it is invited or being welcomed to participate in the conversation?"
You could have a chat to the Feminists who are screaming "#KillAllMen"? Just a thought? Maybe stop the Feminist lable being printed on books like "The Female Man", or denounce "The Scum Manifesto" or Dworkin, or MacKinnon, or Greer... or... no, you're not going to do any of that.
What you mean is "why are men so stupid they don't realise they need us to tell them what to think?"
" Gender equality is your issue, too."
Yes, we noticed, we formed our movement, nice of you to notice - oh, you didn't, never mind.
"Because to date, I’ve seen my father’s role as a parent being valued less by society. "
Yes, which is the responsibility of which political movement? I'll give you a clue: Tender Years Doctrine.... not ringing any bells, Emma? That's history? You've never read history? Your knowledge of Feminism is entirely based on what Feminists wrote in a script for you?
Oh fair enough - sorry, I thought you had a degree and could research things, my bad.
"We don’t often talk about men being imprisoned by gender stereotypes but I can see that they are."
No, you want to co-opt the egalitarian movement and don't give a shit about men.
"If men don’t have to be aggressive in order to be accepted, women won’t feel compelled to be submissive. If men don’t have to control, women won’t have to be controlled."
As you point out right there. It's all about women.
"It is time that we all see gender as a spectrum instead of two sets of opposing ideals. "
For one thing, most of us are perfectly happy to be what our bodies describe us. Most males are biologically male, most females female. There's no spectrum. Which is why trans can be so distressing - to look at the mirror and see the body is wrong, it doesn't match what you know to be true. It's why trans people commit suicide.
And your spectrum speech is in direct contradiction to science. Men and women, despite Feminist ideology, think differently. Your assumption that men are inferior doesn't work out so well either - if there are no men or women, how is it we need Feminism at all - a movement that exists to lobby for power for women?
" We can all be freer and this is what HeForShe is about."
No it isn't. Didn't even look at the website, didya Emma?
"Statesman Edmund Burke said all that is need for the forces of evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing."
Whereas you prefer to be actively evil. Kudos, dear! Stand up for your right to be wicked!
"it will take 75 years or maybe 100 before women can expect to be paid the same as men for the same work."
No, it will take no time at all, because if you have any fucking evidence, Emma, you go to the cops and you report the crime. It's been illegal since before you were born, and possible your parents as well. You really couldn't be stuffed researching, could you? Not even a few items off this long list of grievances.
"And at current rates, it won't be until 2086 before all rural African girls can have a secondary education."
And you just erased all the boys. Is it because Feminism works very hard to decrease male education, so the likely figure from a projection is full exclusion?
"If you believe in equality, you might be one of the inadvertent feminists I spoke of earlier and for this I appraud you."
(appraud is from the transcript, and I rather hope she did say just that)
So again, she wants to coopt people. If you believe in being nice, you are a Budhist! Give us yer money then! You like sharing! Welcome comrade, you is a communist! Gi'us yer money!
It's a con, a very old con.
"We must strive for a united world but the good news is we have a platform. It is called HeForShe. " (plugs product: now with more Snake Oil!)
CROWD EXPLODES INTO MINDLESS BLEATING.
[Exeunt, Hermoine, dragging a boy by the ear. He'll listen, if she has to beat it into him]
Transcript from http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/us-canada/69776-video-emma-watson-un
"For the record, feminism by definition is the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities."
Statement of her opinion as if it is established fact - despite the readiness of counter-examples. This is normal for propaganda. I wonder who wrote this for her?
"When I was 8, I was called bossy "
Well, yes. Hermoine was conceived of as a bossy character; that's what the author has said. So they were looking for a bossy character.
Someone like Hermoine. Someone who talked down to people, who viewed them with contempt.Hmm. I guess they found a pretty good match.
"But my recent research has shown me that feminism has become an unpopular word."
Only recent?
"Women are choosing not to identify as feminists."
OMG, people make choices that Emma doesn't approve of! She's going to fix them! She's going to tell them how stupid they are to disagree! That's not bossy at all...
"I think it is right I am paid the same as my male counterparts. "
So what? Current Feminism has nothing to do with her incredible salary.
"I think it is right that I should be able to make decisions about my own body."
Which somehow doesn't include the right for men to do the same - or is she going to fight for any of the myriad male problems where they don't have control over their own bodies?
MGM, conscription, being forced to work for a woman's benefit, even when she raped you, even when she raped you as a little boy, or even when a genetic test that you are banned from would reveal the child has nothing to do with you.
"But sadly, I can say that there is no one country in the world where all women can expect to see these rights."
She's never heard of England? Or the USA? Maybe she thinks she's still in Hogwarts?
"My school did not limit me because I was a girl."
No, they were too busy limiting every boy they could get their hands on. Which you never object to; how peculiar.
"My mentors didn't assume that I would go less far because I might give birth to a child one day."
So they assumed that any other person who worked exactly the same hours, same aptitude, same intensity, would still only get the same wages, despite working away as you left employment to focus on your own pleasure?
That sounds like equality to you?
Emma is actually saying that she deserves to be paid even when she's not working, but another worker won't get that unless they can bear a child. Bad luck if you're barren! You have to subsidise the breeders!
"In 1997, Hillary Clinton made a famous speech in Beijing about women’s rights. "
Was that the one where she said that male deaths were insignificant compared to female ones? Where male suicide didn't matter?
"What struck me the most was that less than 30% of the audience were male. "
They were stuck there. Very few males really want a woman to tell they how awful they are because they have a Y chromosome. Clinton is Dworkin with nuclear weapons. Nuclear fucking weapons. In the hands of someone who thinks male deaths are meaningless.
That's not going to end well. Maybe the men were off building bunkers.
"How can we effect change in the world when only half of it is invited or being welcomed to participate in the conversation?"
You could have a chat to the Feminists who are screaming "#KillAllMen"? Just a thought? Maybe stop the Feminist lable being printed on books like "The Female Man", or denounce "The Scum Manifesto" or Dworkin, or MacKinnon, or Greer... or... no, you're not going to do any of that.
What you mean is "why are men so stupid they don't realise they need us to tell them what to think?"
" Gender equality is your issue, too."
Yes, we noticed, we formed our movement, nice of you to notice - oh, you didn't, never mind.
"Because to date, I’ve seen my father’s role as a parent being valued less by society. "
Yes, which is the responsibility of which political movement? I'll give you a clue: Tender Years Doctrine.... not ringing any bells, Emma? That's history? You've never read history? Your knowledge of Feminism is entirely based on what Feminists wrote in a script for you?
Oh fair enough - sorry, I thought you had a degree and could research things, my bad.
"We don’t often talk about men being imprisoned by gender stereotypes but I can see that they are."
No, you want to co-opt the egalitarian movement and don't give a shit about men.
"If men don’t have to be aggressive in order to be accepted, women won’t feel compelled to be submissive. If men don’t have to control, women won’t have to be controlled."
As you point out right there. It's all about women.
"It is time that we all see gender as a spectrum instead of two sets of opposing ideals. "
For one thing, most of us are perfectly happy to be what our bodies describe us. Most males are biologically male, most females female. There's no spectrum. Which is why trans can be so distressing - to look at the mirror and see the body is wrong, it doesn't match what you know to be true. It's why trans people commit suicide.
And your spectrum speech is in direct contradiction to science. Men and women, despite Feminist ideology, think differently. Your assumption that men are inferior doesn't work out so well either - if there are no men or women, how is it we need Feminism at all - a movement that exists to lobby for power for women?
" We can all be freer and this is what HeForShe is about."
No it isn't. Didn't even look at the website, didya Emma?
"Statesman Edmund Burke said all that is need for the forces of evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing."
Whereas you prefer to be actively evil. Kudos, dear! Stand up for your right to be wicked!
"it will take 75 years or maybe 100 before women can expect to be paid the same as men for the same work."
No, it will take no time at all, because if you have any fucking evidence, Emma, you go to the cops and you report the crime. It's been illegal since before you were born, and possible your parents as well. You really couldn't be stuffed researching, could you? Not even a few items off this long list of grievances.
"And at current rates, it won't be until 2086 before all rural African girls can have a secondary education."
And you just erased all the boys. Is it because Feminism works very hard to decrease male education, so the likely figure from a projection is full exclusion?
"If you believe in equality, you might be one of the inadvertent feminists I spoke of earlier and for this I appraud you."
(appraud is from the transcript, and I rather hope she did say just that)
So again, she wants to coopt people. If you believe in being nice, you are a Budhist! Give us yer money then! You like sharing! Welcome comrade, you is a communist! Gi'us yer money!
It's a con, a very old con.
"We must strive for a united world but the good news is we have a platform. It is called HeForShe. " (plugs product: now with more Snake Oil!)
CROWD EXPLODES INTO MINDLESS BLEATING.
[Exeunt, Hermoine, dragging a boy by the ear. He'll listen, if she has to beat it into him]
Transcript from http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/us-canada/69776-video-emma-watson-un
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