NSFW Stuff: July 2014

Thursday, 31 July 2014

The Real Goals of Men’s Rights Activists

From http://sylphaeon.tumblr.com/post/26442239381/the-first-goal-of-mens-rights-activists

alchemyjones:

How come it’s quirky and funny when girls talk about pooping but gross when guys do? That’s sexism, man!
And I guess that’s the only problem they have.

byker:

The actual goals of Men’s Rights Activists:

Bring infant circumcision to an end, as it is genital mutilation.
Bring an end to the school system that is biased in favour of girls. (1-5)
Allow female rapists to be convicted, since they can presently only be charged with lesser charges if they forcefully envelope. (6)
Put an end to false rape accusations, put and end to the idea that accused = guilty, (7, 8) and bring to light that false rape accusations can ruin men’s lives permanently and indefinitely. Examples (9 -11)
Put an end to the idea that women are the “great majority” of rape victims. (12-14)
Put an end to the idea that women are the “great majority” of domestic violence victims. (22,23)
Put an end to the false wage gap. (15-21)
Put an end to debt slavery. (24)
Bring to light that men get longer sentences for the same crime (25) and that female sex offenders get shorter sentences than their male counterparts. (26)
Bring to light that men and boys are being trafficked as well. (27,28)
Bring to light the sexualization and objectification of men. (29,30)
Put an end to the idea that misandry and sexism towards men stems off of misogyny and sexism towards women. (31,32)
Sources: [1,2,3,4,5] [6] [7,8] [9,10,11] [12,13,14] [15,16,17,18,19,20,21] [22,23] [24] [25] [26] [27,28] [29,30] [31,32]
nerdydyke:

You missed a few:

Stop forcing rape victims to pay for child support if his rapist decides to keep the child. (Even it it was statutory rape.) (1-4)
To not be portrayed as worthless, lazy, ect by the media. (15-19
Have male victims of domestic abuse be taken seriously. (7-10, 12-14, 17, 20)
Get more domestic abuse shelters for men, because currently most of them cater only toward women. (5-7)
Get more awareness of domestic abuse toward men, and to advocate against domestic violence. Period. No matter what gender it’s aimed at. (11-14, 17)
[1, 2, 3, 4] [5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14] [15, 16, 17, 18, 19] 20

I have one more, no source, but I believe it is a goal for some MRAs. Be able to break out of their gender role without consequences, in a way that women have been able to.

4:54 pm Tuesday, July 3, 2012 |

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Monday, 28 July 2014

Why do people compare Feminism to... Nazism?!!

nextyearsgirl:

He’s now compared radfems to Nazis and himself to a Jew so I’m pretty certain nothing’s going to top that. Night, tumblr!

Feminists such as yourself have been chipping away at the rights of men for decades now.

And I’m talking actual rights. Like the presumption of innocence. For example, Feminists have mandated that when police make an arrest in a domestic violence dispute (which they pretty much have to do whenever there’s a call) they have to take things like weight and height into consideration.

As in all other things being equal the party that is taller and weighs more is the one you arrest.

You’re okay with this.

We’re talking about the kangaroo courts set up by Title IX at the behest of Feminists that allows “people” (read: men) on college campuses to be tried and convicted of sexual assault using the lowest standard of evidence.

But don’t take my word for it… take it from a fellow Feminist:

How does this campus tribunal proceed to evaluate the accusations? Upon what evidence is it able to make a judgment?

The frightening answer is that like the proverbial 800-pound gorilla, the tribunal does pretty much whatever it wants, showing scant regard for fundamental fairness, due process of law, and the well-established rules and procedures that have evolved under the Constitution for citizens’ protection.

Who knew that American college students are required to surrender the Bill of Rights at the campus gates?

My son was given written notice of the charges against him, in the form of a letter from the campus Title IX officer. But instead of affording him the right to be fully informed, the separately listed allegations were a barrage of vague statements, rendering any defense virtually impossible. The letter lacked even the most basic information about the acts alleged to have happened years before. Nor were the allegations supported by any evidence other than the word of the ex-girlfriend.

The hearing itself was a two-hour ordeal of unabated grilling by the school’s committee, during which, my son later reported, he was expressly denied his request to be represented by counsel or even to have an attorney outside the door of the room. The questioning, he said, ran far afield even from the vaguely stated allegations contained in the so-called notice. Questions from the distant past, even about unrelated matters, were flung at him with no opportunity for him to give thoughtful answers.

The many pages of written documentation that my son had put together—which were directly on point about his relationship with his accuser during the time period of his alleged wrongful conduct—were dismissed as somehow not relevant.

What was relevant, however, according to the committee, was the unsworn testimony of “witnesses” deemed to have observable knowledge about the long-ago relationship between my son and his accuser.

This is what happens with Feminists in power. Nazi Germany didn’t begin with the ovens.

It began with dehumanization. Something your movement pushes for at every opportunity.

Just look at the way you and yours talk about everything even vaguely related to men. You have absolute contempt for me. You don’t view me as an equal. You never will. I could offer you everything you’ve ever asked for and it wouldn’t be enough for you. I could give every concession and it wouldn’t be enough.

I could let you sheer off a pound of flesh and you’d ask for another. Because that’s how hate based movements operate. They don’t stop. They can’t stop. They aren’t fueled by a desire for a better life. Or equality. Or justice. Or hope.

They’re fueled by hate… and if I denied you anything you’d just use that to justify your hatred… and if I gave you anything you’d claim that I was showing weakness and now was the time, once and for all, to put the knife to my throat.

Because that’s how movements like yours have always operated. It hasn’t changed.

So when I describe you in the same breath as one does Nazi Germany it’s because you have the same mentality.

Do you think curtailing my rights would be enough? Denying me support would be enough? Putting me in prison under the thinnest of pretenses? Would that be enough?
No, of course not. And we both know it.

You don’t view me as human. You never will. That’s why I can point out to you no man in America actually has reproductive rights and the *very first thing you think about* is “Rapist”.

Friday, 25 July 2014

1 out of 4 women get raped in their lifetime?

Reblogged from http://dontneedfeminism.tumblr.com/post/82665204122/thoughts-on-the-1-out-of-4-women-get-raped-in-their

Asker

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Anonymous Asks:

Thoughts on the 1 out of 4 women get raped in their lifetime statistic?

dontneedfeminism:
It’s bull shit.
Not only is it from a study done in 1994, but 73% of the women they labeled as “rape victims” didn’t believe they had been raped, and about 40% of them went on to date their “rapist” after the fact.
So, if we don’t count the 73%, that brings the number down to 1 in 16. Still not great, but again, it’s from 20 years ago. Now lets factor in that, since 1994, rape has gone down by 80%.
That means that at the MOST, the rape rate of women is 1 in 80, which comes out to 1,875,000 college-aged women who have been raped (in the US).
Even if you restrict this to being just women who are 18-25 (about college age), that is *still* not 1 in 4, as there were approximately 20+ million women between the ages of 18 and 25 in 2000.
So, simply as a matter of fact, the 1 in 4 statistic is a lie. Anyone who uses it is simply spreading rape hysteria and propaganda.
sheabutterwitchcraft-nigga:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/rape-statistics/ sure keep saying saying that but this is from the year 2013 with the most recent percentages of rape that happened in the year 2013

dontneedfeminism

dontneedfeminism Said:

Actually you’re wrong.

If you look under the college rape section you will see the following:

“The following is from a study of 6,000 college students on 32 college campuses nationwide in 1987”
“The following is from a CDC study of 5,000 women on 138 college campuses in 1995”
The section labelled “rape statistics” is unsourced, but it says that 89,000 rape are reported each year.

So lets see what it takes to get to “1 in 4”.

Lets go with 156 million women (about half the US population), and divide that by 4. That gives us 39 million.

Now lets divide that by the rape rate of 89,000. That comes out to approximately 438. That means, at a rate of 89,000 rapes a year, it would take 438 years worth of rapes to get “1 in 4”.

But then there’s that “60% of rapes are never reported” statistic. So lets factor that in.

Multiply the 89,000 by 2.5 (1/.4 = 2.5) and we get 225,000.

Now lets divide the 39 million by that again. We get 173.

So, even factoring in the 60% unreported rape, it would still take nearly 200 years worth of rapes to get to “1 in 4”.

But then there’s that “95% of college rapes are never reported to authorities” statistic, so lets do more math.

Multiply 89,000 by 20, and you get 1.78 million. Now divide 39 million by that and you get 22.

That’s a much more reasonable number. However, I have never once seen the 95% unreported statistic before, and since it is completely unsourced, I’m skeptical as to its legitimacy.

Even more unnerving, is the fact that Mary Koss was involved in the report you linked. In another report done by Mary Koss, she wrote that “It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman.”

So do keep in mind that one of the sources for your link, is a very blatant rape apologist as well as a Feminist, giving your sources several forms of inherent bias.

Feel free to try again another time.

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[Editor's note: more on the terrifying Mary P. Koss ]

“IF the one-in-four statistic is correct—it is sometimes modified to “one-in-five to one-in-four”—campus rape represents a crime wave of unprecedented proportions.

No crime, much less one as serious as rape, has a victimization rate remotely approaching 20 or 25 percent, even over many years.

The 2006 violent crime rate in Detroit, one of the most violent cities in America, was 2,400 murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults per 100,000 inhabitants—a rate of 2.4 percent.

The one-in-four statistic would mean that every year, millions of young women graduate who have suffered the most terrifying assault, short of murder, that a woman can experience.

Such a crime wave would require nothing less than a state of emergency—Take Back the Night rallies and 24-hour hotlines would hardly be adequate to counter this tsunami of sexual violence. Admissions policies letting in tens of thousands of vicious criminals would require a complete revision, perhaps banning boys entirely.”
— Heather Mac Donald, "The Campus Rape Myth".

This alleged “statistic” was culled from a survey of 3,000 college women in 1982, conducted by Ms. Magazine.

These women were asked only three questions:

Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn’t want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?
Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn’t want to because a man threatened or used some degree of physical force to make you?
Have you had sexual acts when you didn’t want to because a man threatened to use some degree of physical force to make you?

The trouble is, many of the women the survey counted as “victims” did not actually feel that they had been raped, especially not the entire third of the alleged “victims” that continued to have a consensual sexual relationship with their supposed attacker.

Others that had consensual one-night-stands that they later regretted were also counted as “victims”.
When you have to lie about the prevalence of a crime, you’re not doing women any favors.
Feminism is supposed to be empowering, not to send us cowering.
Rape is not the “epidemic” that people are trying to claim it is. It has actually decreased dramatically in the past few decades - up to 80% since 1979, despite an increase in the willingness of victims to report them.

This is even further supported by data directly from the U.S. Bureau of Justice.

The only thing that HAS been increasing are FALSE reports of rape, which do a lot more harm to the lives of others than you may want to believe.
Third wave feminism is operating under far too many logical fallacies. The Big Lie Technique is readily apparent in the use of the very “statistic” above which has time and again been proven to be false.

Overgeneralization continually tries to paint all men as monsters, when science has shown us that there are many psychological and biological factors that come into play to create someone with the potential to commit violence.

If you have to spread lies to support your cause, how much of a cause could you possibly have to begin with?

And what are you saying about femininity itself when you want so badly for us to live in constant fear?

How is this supposed to be encouraging women to be strong if all you let us aspire to is to be victims?
How is this encouraging women to be independent if you try to make us believe that we can’t take care of ourselves?
How are you helping women at all if you have to lie to us?

From http://tenaflyviper.tumblr.com/post/89186567115/if-the-one-in-four-statistic-is-correct-it-is

We persecute rape with more zeal than any other crime

Beyond reasonable doubt doesn’t apply to rape.
Feminists wish to slander accused names before convicted.
Feminists against beyond reasonable doubt when it’s male rapists.
Feminist changes mind on rape culture when her son is falsely accused.
Universities strip basic rights from the accused.
Change federal rules of evidence for men accused of rape.
Women sent man to jail, won millions, then discovered her claim was false. She asks to let bygones be bygones. Because she was worried about her money.
Boy accused of rape, found innocent, but committed suicide.
Innocent man urged to accept plea bargain.
Boy found innocent and killed by gang
Woman makes 11 false rape allegations.
Boy beaten to a pulp after being found innocent
Girlfriend cries rape when dad finds out about her BF, he gets murdered.
Mohammad Asif: “I keep thinking, ‘I just dropped her off, she was just a normal passenger, why has she done that?” -accused by said passenger of raping her at knifepoint - would be in jail except was exonerated by voice recording app on hsi phone.
Soner Yasa: four drunk women reported to police that he had sexually assaulted them as a ploy to refuse to pay a $13 cab fare- Once again he’d be in jail if not for video surveillance in his cab. Over $13
A University’s Shame: How Brown betrayed one of its students
Park Si Hoo Is Cleared Of All Charges Stemming From Anti-Defamation Lawsuit Filed By The CEO Of His Former Talent Agency
False accusation will cost woman $55,000
Husband falsely accused of child rape wins $1.2 million from ex-spouse
The blogosphere is abuzz with controversy over a Beaverton, Oregon’s judge’s sentencing of a 19-year-old woman for filing false rape charges.
Man Awarded $852,000 in Civil Court After Ex-Wife Falsely Accuses Him of Sexual Abuse
The Aftermath of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case
http://www.davidcopperfieldsetstherecordstraight.com/
People exonerated after being falsely accused.
Schoolboy, 16, died after he was falsely accused of raping a girl by mobs who terrorised his neighbourhood
Virginia Woman Falsely Accuses Man Of Rape And Sends Him Away For Four Years Before Recanting … Given Just 60 Days In Jail To Be Served On Weekends

And since I know this is only in reference to a rape culture toward women victims, how about the fact that men can be sued for not having sex, women use sex as bargaining chip, and people view women demanding sex as empowering?

Or the plethora of anti rape ads we have?

In 1990, this anti-rape PSA aired.
Another 90s anti-rape PSA that aired in Arizona.
In 2013, this anti-rape PSA went viral.
An anti-rape PSA in the UK.
MTV ran a PSA against human trafficking.
The United States Navy ran an anti-sexual assault PSA.
In 1994, My So-Called Life’s pilot episode dealt with near date rape.
In 2003, Dawson’s Creek dealt with attempted date rape.
In 1996, Party of Five dealt with attempted date rape.
In 1989, 21 Jump Street ran an episode where a female character who played a cop is raped.
The popular TV show Degrassi ran this PSA before an episode dealing with sexual assault.
Kurt Cobain explains that Nirvana’s song “Rape Me” is an anti-rape song.
In 1991, Sublime released an anti-date rape song on their 40oz to Freedom single called “Date Rape”.
In 1991, Tori Amos released a song about rape on her Little Earthquakes album called “Me and a Gun”.
In 1993. Tupac released a song on his Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. album called “Keep Ya Head Up” questioning how men treat women, as he says, "Since we all came from a woman / Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman / I wonder why we take from our women / Why we rape our women, do we hate our women? / I think it’s time to kill for our women"
In 2001, Aus-Rotten released a song on their The Rotten Agenda album called “The Second Rape” discussing rape and how the justice system deals with rape.
In 2006, Cancerslug released a song called “Within Her Skin” about a rape victim who killed her rapist, bought a gun, and became a vigilante killing other rapists. This is reminiscent of serial killer Aileen Wuornos.
In 2001, Immortal Technique released a haunting song on his Revolutionary Volume 1 album called “Dance with the Devil” about gang violence, drugs, and rape.
Life Goes On in 1992 has an episode dealing with rape.
Beverly Hills 90210 dealt with many issues like gay rights, animal rights, domestic violence and yes, date rape.
In 1988, ABC ran an After School Special about date rape.
Mark-Paul Gosselaar, better known as Zack from Saved by the Bell, appeared in a TV film addressing date rape.
In 1995, the tv show Blossom ran an episode about date rape.
In 1995, the film Higher Learning showed a scene where a college woman is raped. The rapist is later confronted by a group of men and forced to apologize while being outed as a sexual predator in front of his frat.
In Kill Bill, the Bride is raped while in a coma, facilitated by Buck, a male nurse. When she awakens from her coma she bites off the tongue of her attacker, then murders Buck by slamming his head in the door of the hospital room. When I saw this in theaters, people cheered when she got revenge.
In Cape Fear, the rapist character is portrayed as evil. In the 1962 film he is sent back to prison, in the 1991 film he is left to drown.
In the 1996 film Eye for an Eye, the rapist is portrayed as evil and later killed for his crimes.
In the 1972 film Deliverance, a man is raped by two hillbillies and later murdered for their crimes.
In Last House on the Left, the rapists are portrayed as evil and later murdered for their crimes in both the 1972 film and 2009 film.
In the 1971 film Dirty Harry, Clint Eastwood’s character Harry Callahan is quoted as saying,"Yeah, well, when an adult male is chasing a female with intent to commit rape, I shoot the bastard that’s my policy."
In the 1983 film Sudden Impact, Dirty Harry murders more rapists in the name of justice.
In Straw Dogs, the rapists are portrayed as evil and murdered for their crimes in both the1971 film and 2011 film.
In the 1995 film Braveheart, a man is allowed to enact revenge on a soldier who raped his wife. William Wallace also goes on a killing spree after his secret wife is executed for rejecting a soldier that was attempting to rape her.
In the 2007 film Teeth, the lead character seeks out rapists in order to bite their dicks off with her vagina plus teeth.
There are currently over 300 Law and Order: Special Victims Unit episodes, the majority of them portraying rapists as only men.
The NO EXCUSES campaign was started in 2011 addressing issues like rape in the military.
The Onion satirized the media coverage of the Steubenville rape with this video that aired on Comedy Central.

Rape is no where near as common as feminists make it out to be.

1 in 5 is bullshit.

Most feminists backed studies are bullshit.

Rape culture is bullshit. and stats prove it.

Anywhere from 97-8% of rape claims are false.

1-12 also bullshit.

Just how many men are rapists?

RAINN disses rape culture.

Campus rape myth

From http://durkin62.tumblr.com/post/92961424662/hahahaha-did-they-really-just-link-you-to-a-tumblr-text

Sunday, 20 July 2014

Gender Star Wars and an Anti-Fridging Feminist

From http://shorelle.tumblr.com/post/64430084588/finally-done-ish-my-contribution-to

ariaste:

brett-caton:
ariaste:
PSA
brett-caton:
ariaste:
The death of a female character does not automatically equal fridging.

Holy shit, what? Let me repeat myself.

The death of a female character does not automatically equal fridging.
Fridging is problematic. But fridging is also a specific thing: It is gruesome violence against a…
and this is why there aren’t many female heroes in Hollywood; it’s nearly impossible to write a story without a Feminist deciding it’s offensive, and still have it be interesting.

When males die to advance a story, no-one cares. The characters, like Hillary Clinton, can wander over the charred remains of schoolboys without a moment’s inconvenience from the SJWs.

Males are disposable. Do you fuss over the end of a toilet roll? It’s done what it was supposed to do, after all.

But kill a female character? Hell, no! Outside of horror movies et al, females are privileged. They will die in vastly fewer numbers, much more humanely, and mostly off screen. You don’t see the action hero pinning women up to a wall and making cracks like “stick around”.

Can you imagine gender reversed “Star Wars”? The villain walks over piles of female corpses without any hesitation, breaks a woman’s neck for fun, and the only hero who is competent is a young man who snarks at the females around them and is a better shot than all them put together.

Her only friend, an older woman, is sawn in half. Her creepy brother makes sexual advances on her “for luck”.

Feminists would condemn that as misogyny.
Thanks for your commentary, @brett-caton! I thought you brought up a couple interesting points, so I wanted to elaborate on some of them.

First of all, “Kill a female character? Hell no!” Ah! But that’s the whole point. Writers ARE allowed to kill female characters, and there are many ways to do so — ways which are not fridging, which are not problematic. Women, after all, make up 50% of the deaths in this world. Discussions of fridging and other problematic deaths of female characters aren’t actually about the literal *death* of those characters — it’s about the culture that excuses systematic violence against women, that casts women as victims. Fridging is a problem because of the lack of representation of women in media; you point out that men are “expendable” — I suggest that your perception of this comes not from the attitudes towards men, but from the prevalence of male presence in the media you consume. On another level, writing in a handful of men just so you’ll have someone to kill off later isn’t *problematic*, it’s *a problem* — it’s horrifically lazy writing. Men can expect to see lots and lots of male characters, and a lot of different KINDS of male characters (smart ones, dumb ones, brawny ones, nerdy ones, romantic ones, heroic ones, cowardly ones, plucky ones, I COULD GO ON). Men can expect this so solidly that they don’t even have to notice that they expect it. Men get to take the presence of male characters for granted just as they take the presence of breathable air for granted. Women do not have this liberty. Things are getting better, but we’re not there yet. I yearn to have the luxury of an unconscious assumption that there will be not only women in my media, but LOTS of them, and in a great abundance of varieties.

So I relish the idea of a gender-reversed Star Wars! Hordes of women performing heroic death-defying flights through space! Lightsaber fights! Lady Yoda teaching Leia about the Force in the swamps of Dagobah! C3PO voiced by a British woman! And imagine Luke being forced to dress in that metal bikini, chained to and caressed by a giant female Jabba the Hutt — the revulsion and disgust you feel at that idea is the same revulsion and disgust I feel when I think of Leia in the same situation. And creepy sexual advances are creepy no matter the gender of the perpetrator.

Feminists would not condemn a female-led Star Wars as misogyny (Why would that be misogyny??). We don’t want our female characters to never get hurt — we want them to be heroes. We want them to have a fighting chance. We, as humans, like stories about people dying gloriously. We like it when stories make us feel something. As I said in my original post, it’s not that I don’t want to see any female characters die. I absolutely want to see some deaths. I just want them to be GOOD deaths, meaningful deaths, well-written deaths.

Thanks again for your comments. :)
"Fridging is a problem because of the lack of representation of women in media; you point out that men are "expendable" — I suggest that your perception of this comes not from the attitudes towards men, but from the prevalence of male presence in the media you consume."
Well, in reality, men are overwhelmingly the targets of violence, so it’s hardly surprising. How many men and boys did Boko Haram kill without any reaction? They figured they needed to get attention - burning schoolboys to death didn’t work. Hmm, what to do… kidnap school girls? Oh yes, the ant’s nest was well and truly poked, and we scurried about!

But in fiction - say in Star Wars - men die in multitudes, causally, with little emotional impact. They are created to die. Why is the death of one female character ‘problematic’ and the millions of male corpses beside her just good writing? Is the value of female human life really several magnitudes higher? Is does appear to be the case, in real life and in fiction.

"Women can expect to see lots and lots of female characters, and a lot of different KINDS of female characters (smart ones, dumb ones, brawny ones, nerdy ones, romantic ones, heroic ones, cowardly ones, plucky ones, I COULD GO ON)."

That statement is equally valid. If anything, there are far more brawny female characters in fiction, for example, than real life permits without destroying the body chemistry through steroids. Xena, Wonder Woman, Big Barda, Sif, Red Sonja.. the list is huge.
(Trimmed for length)
First: "Why is the death of one female character ‘problematic’ and the millions of male corpses beside her just good writing?"
This is actually a great question. I hope it's not rhetorical, because I'm about to answer it. We'll continue to use Star Wars as an example.

You object to men being expendable in movies; you say that men are the majority of the deaths in the movies, and I think you are certainly correct if we are (as you seem to be) counting thousands of background deaths -- Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, 300... All these epic movies with war scenes end up with a slow pan across the fields of the dead.

You're right. Men do get slaughtered in movies. WHY, though? Because there aren't any women. If there were an equal number of female pilots in Star Wars, they would have died at the same rate. If there were an equal number of female Rohirrim in LotR, they would have died just like the men.

What you're objecting to is a *symptom* of the problem, not the problem itself. You object to men being killed off like flies? Fair enough. How do we solve that problem? How about by adding an equal number of women?

The death of one female character is problematic because all too often, we only HAVE one female character. It's problematic when she's not just killed as a nameless face in a crowd -- but when she's killed as a symbol. When she's killed to "punish" her for something (fighting/disagreeing with the hero, being sexually active, etc). When she's killed as a cheap way of making the hero pick up his weapon and slo-mo walk out to a climactic fight with the villain.

If you want female deaths to be less problematic, if you want men to die less often in movies -- put more women in 'em.

As for your comments about male rape victims (which, for anyone reading, were past the trim line -- my apologies), I again point out that you are objecting to a symptom of a much bigger problem. The things you have problems with are the same things *I* have problems with. Sexual assault against a man isn't ever funny. Domestic abuse against a man isn't funny. It's a problem. Dismissing/laughing off male victims is something the *patriarchy* does, not feminism. It's the patriarchy that has given us the idea that men can't be emotional, can't feel pain, can't be victims, or that they shouldn't admit to it for fear of being laughed at and considered "unmasculine". That is a PROBLEM. THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM. We are all humans, we *all* feel pain, and it's horrific to laugh off male victims, or to erase their experiences.

If you want to fix that, if you want people to stop sniggering about it: Obliterate rape culture. Wipe that shit off the face of this earth.

(PS: You misquoted me as saying "Women can expect to see lots and lots of female characters, and a lot of different KINDS of female characters" -- my original post said MEN can expect to see lots of MALE characters.)

"You object to men being expendable in movies"

Not quite: I object to that being ignored, but the death of any woman being regarded as incredibly significant. Feminists make movies, write books, draw cartoons... where are the stories where male deaths matter?

In the Feminist Literature I have read, if anything, the question is absurd. In "The Female Man", the story is all about how wonderful it would be to torture all males to death, and how raping male apes would be acceptable because even if they are not human, they are still males, and hurting them would still be fine they deserve it because... yeah, I never understood that one either. |

I guess it's like Nazis slaughtering monkeys because they decided they could be Jewish.

So: prove me wrong. Write stories, draw comics, make movies where males are as important as females. Or where females are insignificant, like males. Either is good. I can't imagine even one, let alone one that was for the little kiddies, where female corpses would be strewn about like leaves and no-one would care.

"you say that men are the majority of the deaths in the movies, and I think you are certainly correct if we are (as you seem to be) counting thousands of background deaths — Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, 300… All these epic movies with war scenes end up with a slow pan across the fields of the dead."

Star Wars just skips over the dead really, as you can see from the clip I embedded.

But I'm saying that, full stop, men are the majority victims of violence in fiction except horror or other situations where you want the viewer to be greatly affected. Just like with those schoolboys who were burnt to death, and Hillary Clinton, no-one gives a toss until females are in the firing line.

"You’re right. Men do get slaughtered in movies. WHY, though? Because there aren’t any women."

This is speculation.

"If there were an equal number of female pilots in Star Wars, they would have died at the same rate. If there were an equal number of female Rohirrim in LotR, they would have died just like the men."

More speculation.

"What you’re objecting to is a *symptom* of the problem, not the problem itself. You object to men being killed off like flies? Fair enough. How do we solve that problem? How about by adding an equal number of women?"

Why stop there? Why not make gender-flipped Star Wars equivalents, have women mowed down, force choked, throttled to death, sawn in half, all in a series of movies for kids? I'll bring popcorn.

"The death of one female character is problematic because all too often, we only HAVE one female character. "

So have only one male character (although Star Wars has several, but I digress) and how loads of women dying with that male in command (like in Star Wars) with that male being the only seriously competent person (ditto) and getting all the best lines and killing an obese sexually ambivalent female with their bare hands in some gruesome way.

Do you have butter on your popcorn? I am so ready for this film.

"It’s problematic when she’s not just killed as a nameless face in a crowd — but when she’s killed as a symbol. When she’s killed to “punish” her for something (fighting/disagreeing with the hero, being sexually active, etc). When she’s killed as a cheap way of making the hero pick up his weapon and slo-mo walk out to a climactic fight with the villain."

So Feminists would have no problem with a male doing a climactic fight with a female villain, having that female villain being slowly beaten to death, or dropped off a cliff with a quip, or nailed to a wall and told to "stick around"? I remember the furore over "Total Recall" when Arnie killed a female villain. That was completely unacceptable. The slaughter of assorted male villains in that movie was fine, unnoticed.

That's called hypocrisy.

Oh, that "killed as a symbol" is a great "get out of jail free" card. You can always claim a male villain is a male villain but a female one is a symbol.

"If you want female deaths to be less problematic, if you want men to die less often in movies — put more women in ‘em."

I don't want men to die less often - I just don't like the promotion of a double standard where fiction is pilloried for 'fridging' females and where the male equivalent has no response because male deaths are trivial. One rule for all, male, female, and R2D2 unit, TY.

"As for your comments about male rape victims (which, for anyone reading, were past the trim line — my apologies), I again point out that you are objecting to a symptom of a much bigger problem. The things you have problems with are the same things *I* have problems with. Sexual assault against a man isn’t ever funny. "

A bajillion chortling people indicates otherwise. It's funny when it's not real, but so is murder.

It's when Feminists laugh at it in real life that I get rather tetchy.

"Dismissing/laughing off male victims is something the *patriarchy* does, not feminism. "

Hmm. The trouble with the word 'feminism' is it means anything you want it to mean at the time. For example, If i point to several hundred feminists sitting in the audience of a TV show, laughing away at the feminist panel, who are discussing the torture and castration of a man who was trying to escape a brutal relationship, you will just say "they aren't TRUE feminists" or not ALLLL feminists are like that (aka NAFALT) .

Thus, you move the parameters (or goalposts, as it were) the make sure my point is always invalidated. Regardless of whether or not it is honest to do so - whether you would apply those principles to any other group, say.

"It’s the patriarchy that has given us the idea that men can’t be emotional, can’t feel pain, can’t be victims, or that they shouldn’t admit to it for fear of being laughed at and considered “unmasculine”. "

So when Chanty Binx sings "Cry me a River" that's not her, she's been Possessed by the Patriarchy(TM)?

When Feminists attack a man for wearing what they consider feminine garb, that's not their fault - Patriarchy!

(skip to 17:35 for the full treatment, although you can see it throughout)

When they laugh at Male Tears - Patriarchy! (literally too many examples)
(clearly Google is Part of the Patriarchy(TM) and so it is manufacturing these images, and No True Feminist (Patent Pending) is involved here or any of the Tumblr posts on the subject)

Gee, this is great. You can use it for anything. If I were a woman, I could throw a man into a woodchipper and just claim t'was the Patriarchy that dun it.

Do you remember when the Patriarchy was proven to exist? No, neither do I. It just seems to be assumed, like the Elders of Zion.. Patriarchy is a system of government where women have fewer, or at least inferior, rights to men.

What rights do men have that women do not?

What rights do women have that men do not?

They cannot be conscripted, and fought against female conscription in WW1. In fact, only non-feminist countries, by and large, have female conscription.

They are given shorter jail sentences, if sentenced at all, for the same crimes, and can often claim immunity if they are a parent - even if they managed to get pregnant by raping someone.. even if that someone is a child...

They can get people like Mary P. Koss to fiddle the books to make sure no female can be charged with rape, through manipulation of the legal definition of the term (thus meaning female victims of same sex rape are taken out as collateral, but nothing's perfect)

I have to wonder, when, if ever, Feminists will take responsibility for their actions, instead of blaming the Patriarchy for every ill.
What, I wonder, will you do, if your "Female Man" scenario plays out, and the last male is exterminated? Will you tell your terrified daughters that the Ghost of the Patriarchy lurks in their closets and under their beds, stealing their socks and spoiling the milk?

"If you want to fix that, if you want people to stop sniggering about it: Obliterate rape culture."

I'm not going to do that, it was a very important film.

Oh, you don't know it? It was erased by Feminists. Because it pointed out that the primary victim of rape in the US was males, that that fact was covered up, and when those men asked for help, they were told that they deserved everything that they got.

Feminists couldn't bear that men should receive sympathy, so, like Stalin, they erased that town from the maps and created a new one with the same name so that no-one could even remember the old one... quite clever, really.

As for Rape culture against females... what is the one crime that is abhorred above all others, the one for which "innocent until proven guilty", a 1500 year old legal principle, is suspended, the one deed where someone, if suspected of it, can be beaten to death by the public.. and in most cases no prosecutions will occur even when it turns out the corpse was innocent?

There's no rape culture, not against women anyway. It's a lie, but a useful one.

(PS: You misquoted me as saying “Women can expect to see lots and lots of female characters, and a lot of different KINDS of female characters” — my original post said MEN can expect to see lots of MALE characters.)

No, I didn't misquote you, I gender-flipped what you said , underlined the change ("That statement is equally valid ")and pointed out where it was true and where it was false.

If anything, there's sexism - but only to men - because only men, overall, are allowed to be stupid, and women, overall, are allowed to be far, far, far physically stronger than they should be.

POSTSCRIPT

Fridging defintion

A character is killed off in a particularly gruesome manner and left to be found just to offend or insult someone, or to cause someone serious anguish. The usual victims are those who matter to the hero, specifically best buddies, love interests, and sidekicks.

Note how Feminists never object to it if the one 'fridged' is male, e.g. Biggs Darklighter or Owen Lars.

Here's a handy list of the dead pilots

(Remember Owen's heroic death? Aunt Beru is forgotten too - I guess they regard her death as meaningful.. somehow... or is it that acknowledging her 'fridging' means acknowledging his?)

Why don't Feminists care when it happens to men, if it's such a terrible thing?

Because Men Are the Expendable Gender.

I started this conversation off because I love the art of writing, and it saddens me to see it corrupted to serve political purposes. Under Communism, or Nazism, or any other Totalitarianism, every song, every novel, every painting, must illustrate the state-approved ideology. Feminism is no different.

It was interesting to see the tactics involved. I tried to point out that (since sexism is unfair treatment by sex), if you treated women as men are treated, even in a space fantasy designed for children, you end up with a horror movie. She evaded and evaded, never letting herself acknowledge what a truly gender-bent version of Star Wars, for example, would be like.

Despite the evidence from youtube that the deaths were overwhelmingly inglorious, that male characters were introduced only to be snuffed out to motivate the heroes (the definition of fridging) and to emphasise the peril they fought (and Darth Vader was a horror to his own side as well as to the enemy), her claim was that a gender bent version would have the female pilots being

Hordes of women performing heroic death-defying flights through space!

Maybe we didn't see the same movie. Do you remember the male pilots defying death, or just dying in droves? Were they heroic? Well, they were brave, or at least the rebels were. It's not clear if the Imperials were brave or just terrified more of what happens to those who don't fight. But heroes? Heroes are acknowledged, remembered. You don't really see much of that going on.

So the only way she finds gender-reversed Star Wars palatable is to spin it into a different movie. One which would actually be incredibly dull.

it’s not that I don’t want to see any female characters die. I absolutely want to see some deaths. I just want them to be GOOD deaths, meaningful deaths, well-written deaths.

Y'see, the problem is you are dealing with dozens of deaths on screen in Star Wars Ep. 1, for example. Almost all of them are men being mowed down. Are they GOOD deaths? They are just deaths. There's not really a lot of writing involved.. they die, en masse. And that's fine, because this is a War, and that's what war is about. Both sides are ground into dust. Both sides suffer. And that should never be sanitised.

So here's my challenge to Feminists.

Have a movie where the lives of women matter as little as men's do. Where they are mowed down in a film watched by eager five year olds, without objection from Feminist factions eager to spot Misogyny and scream Patriarchy.
Let's see a movie where the only competent shot is a male, where the leader of the good guys is a male, where the smartest character is a male, where the male plays with the affections of two women who bicker over him, and when harassed by an obese sexually ambivalent female, slowly throttles her to death.

Make that movie, I dare you. I have much popcorn, all ready to go!

I'm waiting.

What is Feminism?

Feminists say it is

"the radical idea that women are people".

As if no-one had noticed that until Feminists pointed it out to them..a group of people were walking along, and a Feminist pointed at the Moon and said "there's the Moon" and they went "Wow, gosh!" and then the Feminist pointed to the people and said "woman are people" and they went "no, really?"

But what do they say about men?

Men are "the weak ones. We have the mutated chromosome. We are nature’s big joke. And, eventually, we will no longer be needed."
Hmm - seems like the whole thing is best summed up by

Feminism is the radical idea that men are not people"

(sorry about the resolution, it's all i had to work with - feminists love to destroy incriminating evidence)

So what's the context for this? Why is this fool lashing himself, and trying to encourage other men to self-harm?

Because Feminists lie. Because they want there to be a rape culture so badly, that they will manufacture evidence to prove they are victims.

"See!", they say, "men hate us, and so we must hate them, and their hatred is justification for our hatred".

It simply doesn't bother them that they don't have evidence. They feel it is true, therefore it is. Do you remember the year it was discovered we were living in a Patriarchy? Don't you think it strange that no Feminist can define the year it was discovered? And yet, they can claim that they discovered the idea that women were people.

So what happened to the liar? She was caught, for once. Surely there was serious penalties? Her actions could have resulted in the destruction of an innocent man.

In exchange for Lanker-Simons’ plea, Neubauer said the state agrees to recommend the defendant receive a “minimal” fine and no jail time.

Nothing. Not even a slap on the wrist. I'm surprised they didn't offer her compensation for the inconvenience.

Saturday, 19 July 2014

Who is we here?

Who is we here? Feminists routinely condemn men as being unattractive and therefore worthless. Take the term 'neckbeard', or the obsession with supposedly unfashionable hat-wear.

Anbd when a man finds a woman attractive and says no, he is condemned, over and over, by Feminists, as being shallow... see http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-korth/sex-over-50_b_5563576.html for an example

Who is we here? Feminists will routinely condemn any depiction of that guy with several girls in movies etc. as objectifying women. When a woman has two studs hanging from her arms... not a peep.

As for sexual harassment, pah, what rubbish. Companies take it incredibly seriously, because they know they can be sued to the ground. Either the cartoonist has no idea how business works, or they just make up stuff to make women feel victimised.

And when men are harassed, it's a joke. I can think of one movie where it's treated seriously, and even then they pick a sexy woman to do it, and have her go to insane extremes. I've been to workplaces that were all male - but had to remove sexy calenders - and ones that were mixed - but the females put up their beefcake. The males weren't allowed to, of course.

As for problems being solved with getting male attention... der! What do men do to get female attention?

They work hard jobs that take them from their friends and families, they work long hours, they lose themselves in work and when their working life is over, they don't have much to do because it's all they have ever known... and overwhelmingly, they die or are maimed at work, doing the stuff the women won't do, the dirty, dangerous jobs that Feminists never seem to notice when they are looking at wages.... the deadly stuff, the stuff that means you see your mates head on the turf beside you, or try and figure out why everything is going strawberry coloured and tastes bad...

Men do that because it works, because the guy with the money has a huge advantage over the guy who doesn't.

Who is we here? Because boys don't get laid if they accept themselves. They get laid if they strive for more than what they are. The dude who sits at home eating chips and playing games is mocked... by Feminists.

Females are taught to control their urges? By religions. If you have a problem with religion, join the club. You aren't oppressed by them. They have no legal power over you. And they preach everyone will go to hell, as a rule, but the very few.

You are sad because their imagined god hates you? Doesn't that seem ridiculous to you?

As for males, Feminists teach them their sexuality is a source of shame; they aren't allowed to even sit next to kids on airflights because it paints all men as pedos, and erases the female predators. men are leering, lecherous beasts, barely human.

Here's a test. Without warning, ask a room full of feminists for positive things about women. The list will be endless.

Now ask the same for men.

(*chirp... chirp*)

Feminists loathe men, and teach men to loathe themselves. No wonder the suicide rate keeps climbing.

As for the whole "too butch" thing, what happens to men who aren't deemed masculine? Do women find short men attractive? Nope. In dating profiles, whenever height is an option, women go for tall guys, because that's seen as masculine. We are talking Feminists here. If bisexual, they might open the doors to female partners of all sorts, but men better be manly. If they are like women, complain and cry, well, it's "male tears" ... they need to bottle it inside until they kill themselves, like manly men do.

Who is we here? She doesn't care enough? Fat men are treated better? By Feminists? Seriously?

And I've never heard an anorexic described as someone who cares too much!

You know males are anorexic too, right?

I love that breathless "even women perpetuate ... systemic sexism!"

No.

Women perpetuate sexism, men perpetuate sexism, and the biggest perp's are the Feminists. Feminists have phrases that describe men as innately inferior, to the point where they are described as genetical defective scum who need to be 'reduced' or eradicated outright.

There's just no equivalent from non-feminists. Even the ultra-conservative religious folk think they should send men out to die to protect women.I've never heard of a Feminist volunteering to die for a man. That would be absurd!

Thursday, 17 July 2014

What have Feminists ever done against men?

Links compiled from http://durkin62.tumblr.com/post/92115755797/but-what-the-fuck-is-a-radical-feminist-if-woman

Monday, 7 July 2014

Does Feminism really provide a force field?

whoneedsfeminism:

I need feminism because I shouldn’t feel like I’m endangering my life every time I go for a run.

And you wouldn't in an all-female society? You really are clueless about violent women, aren't you? You've done neither research nor contemplation,and yet you've arrived at this conclusion because it sounds nice.

That sort of idiocy is why people voted for Hitler. Lots of wonderful promises - all you have to do is switch your brain off and believe and you will feel good.. for now.. until the people you are shooting at start shooting back.

Feminism is worse than nothing for this problem. It teaches people to be blind about half of the evil in the world. It teaches people to hate one half, to scapegoat it for all wickedness, and to despise cool reason, because a moment's thought would lead someone to look at all female environments to see if they really are full of cupcakes and rainbows.

Lesbian Relationships More Violent Than Heterosexual Relationships

No

Lesbian Partner Violence Fact Sheet
they are not ...
but please, keep telling yourself that. So if you have a violent partner, every time she hits you, you can tell yourself it isn't really happening, no, it's the PATRIARCHY... that does that, not women, all women are good...

Thursday, 3 July 2014

Female perp, male victim: breaking the paradigm

Reblooged from http://durkin62.tumblr.com/post/90682433522

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