"I’m so damn sick of the tired old phrase: “what two consenting adults do in the bedroom is none of my business!!!”
Why are we pretending that “the bedroom” is some mythical land where no information or experiences go in or out. Those two consenting adults are walking into that room with a lifetime of experiences each. They’re walking out with a new experience to add to the list. It’s experience that shape our interactions with others. It’s through experience that we understand the world. When you come out of that room, you carry your experiences with you.
If what you do in the bedroom affects how you treat women in daily life, it becomes my business. It’s every woman’s business. Plain and simple." (source)
I grew up watching men be arrested because BDSM was a crime - and feminists applauded, using OP’s argument.
They never produced any evidence for their assertion. They just felt it was true.
And that feelz was good enough for Dworkin and her ilk, and Dworkin’s kind took over Feminism, and now teaches that at Universities as fact - no, more than fact, facts at universities are challenged and sometimes altered as better facts come along.
It’s blind dogma. Dworkin proclaimed. Feminists Listened and Believed.
And it’s Feminists writing laws now, and feminists sitting on juries and being judge as well. Feminists make for very selective judges.
Feminists complained there was harassment of women, and only if a Feminist was appointed by FB to investigate cases would they stop portraying Facebook as dangerous to women.
FB crumpled like Bernie Sanders confronted by a BLM supporter.
And so now any group that criticises Feminism is banned, groups that promote Donald Trump are banned, I was banned for replying to the slur that I was a “white cunt” with the word goblin - simply because the speaker of that foul language was a feminist and so protected - but I as an antifeminist am ‘literally Hitler’.
Feminists outlaw the use of sex-workers, they want to outlaw sexbots even though they don’t even exist yet, and they do all of this because they hate men, they hate men so much they will allow women to be raped if it means men can be raped with impunity, they fought to make rape laws exclude women in both India an Israel. They were successful.
In the UK, a recent amendment to the law would have meant women could be charged as well. Feminists defeated it.
When Feminists have her lover arrested, how do you think she will feel?
Do they really know better than her how to live her life?
When Feminists are called before the UN to discuss cyber-bullying, they present it as a case of those wicked men hurting helpless Damsels in Distress - and the UN applauds their wisdom.
Trouble is, it's a lie, and Feminists have known it was a lie for a long time, because I can tell you from experience, they lurrrv to abuse people through social media.
I'm an atheist, but I don't have to block religious zealots. In my life I've blocked on neo-Nazi, and in their case, they were being polite to me but they were just too revolting in their ideology to try to even talk to.
The abusers will always be Feminists.
And you can prove this. Take the Gender Wage Gap. Look up feminist sources for it (basically a Feminist says it's true so it is) and sources against (every economist under the sun).
Create a disposable profile, and say "The Wage Gap is a myth" on a Feminist site, along with a source. Say "the Wage Gap is the truth" on an MRA site with a source.
MRAs will try reason. Feminists will just tell you that you must hate women, that you must be unattractive, that you are scum, that they look forward to your death.
Feminists can't argue with logic so they will always work through emotional manipulation.
They will try to crush you as a person because they cannot defeat your arguments. Feminists don't have debates - they have consensus. They are not skeptical - They Listen And Believe.
Feminism is a cult, and the world will be better off when it is gone.
See also:
The UN proposal on cyberbullying is a blueprint for censorship Seventy years since its foundation, the United Nations has been taken over by the concerns of a small group of privileged middle-class women (source)
Feminists define online abuse as a crime by men against women equivalent to a physical attack, even murder.
Even then, they move the goalposts to make "I do not believe you" count as abuse.
Dissent is intolerable in their minds.
Further Reading
I love the fact that when Feminists can't deny the reality, they'll double-down!
Feminist: Men are harassing women on the internet, because they hate women! This is why we need Feminism!
Anti: No, people are harassing other people, and women are doing to so more than men.
Feminist: That's a lie! You are not listening to our lived experiences! Stop man-splaining!
Anti: There's plenty of data - in fact we have been giving you references for this for years now and you just ignore them.
Feminist: But men are using gendered insults because they hate women!
Anti: No, people are using effective insults, because they want to hurt other people. They will call each other by names because that works - they don't literally believe that someone else stinks, they will say it because false accusations can hurt just as much as real ones.
Feminist: Well ... some absolutely new information has just reached me that totally has nothing to do with what you've been saying, that women are abusing other women - and this is why we need more Feminism!
It's the Patriarchy using mind-control rays that makes them do it! Women are not responsible for the wrong they do!
(It's been interesting that this street harassment is defined so broadly that any human interaction can be counted. I remember how harassment used to be defined, and that one of the key words was that it was repeated after the person said "no".)
Looking or commenting about these strong and empowered wimmin is further proof that all men hate all womyn of colour.
The removal of men's eyes and tongues should be mandatory to prevent more brave and stunning wymyn from suffering from their gaze.
" the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands."
Extending that to comments like "hello" and acts like "looking longer than an undefined length of time" is a sign of how brave and empowered strong wimmin of colour have become that they no longer need to worry about "speaking English" or "being sensible".
Having solved the problem of harassment by imprisoning all the males, the next level of approach would be their gentle and harmless extermination, followed by a cleansing incineration and burial.
However, the problem of how to continue funding into harassment continues. Since women cannot, by definition, be responsible for harm - that's the basis of the Duluth Model, after all - the logical solution is, of course, to simply re-designate some of the women as men.
Then they can be blamed for such crimes as "glancing" and "commenting".
Whilst some misogynists might argue that this will result in human extinction, and other white men might mansplain to us beautiful strong and empowered femmes that this wouldn't result in anything but the destruction of Western civilisation at the hands of some "sane" culture (which is ableist, racist and transphobic as well), we all know that utopia is the only possible result.
"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig."
"Bianca Fileborn receives funding from La Trobe University to undertake research on street harassment."
So it's not like she's going to find anything but the need for more funding. The fact that the many street cameras/phones etc don't show any evidence of the 'epidemic' is just proof of how nasty men are - they turn invisible whenever they attack a strong and empowered wymyn of colour.
"Victoria State Government provides funding as a strategic partner of The Conversation AU"
So this is taxpayer funding being used to create new laws that will imprison men who look at or speak to their 'betters' - women.
A driving license for lying [together as in having sex] should be of exactly the same reason that people with firearms license lock their weapons so the children do not access them.
"Faced with a license to lie« Published April 20, 2016 by Debate - 26 comments
Harassment, insults, threats, and in the worst cases, rape is a part of many girls' and women's lives. Something must be done - start with sex education, writes Klara Larsson, Laboremus and SSU Uppland.
Have you ever felt a hand on your butt when you have not asked for it? Have a sense of self-loathing washed over you after someone touched you in an intimate context? How fun is sex to you anyway? Does it worth? Do you do it because you want to and think it's nice or to the press and other factors confirmation weighs over?
All too often , the answers are hesitant on these issues among young people. Then research on human sexuality started really in the middle of the 1900s, it has begun revealed to us the delusions we have. The impact has been in the awareness of these started appearing.
On Girl Support Association 's website you can read that every third girl who visits a youth has been subjected to repeated insults and threats. Furthermore, 14 percent in the past year have been exposed to some type of sexual abuse. We should pay attention to this iceberg and begin to digest it as soon as possible. A »license« to lie is a reasonable solution.
Many of the boys who have gone too close or too far sexually with a young girl, often do not know about it. Sometimes do not even know the girl about it, something just feels wrong. Of all sexual assaults in 2013, 98 percent had been committed by men, according to statistics from the National Crime Prevention Council. Demonization of rapists makes the plot feels so far away from reality.
But the fact is that a rapist can actually be anyone - it is usually anyone. Most rapes are committed indoors by an acquaintance of the victim. So high rape statistics Sweden , according Girl's Shelter, in fact, makes it inconceivable that a few are going around the country and mass rapes 365 days all his years as sexually active.
What this shows? Well, that something must be done. The necessary ontet must become a part of every individual's daily life. I'm talking about sex education. As hard as it sounds it is, we have to sit and blush and talk about penises and snippor. The Public Health Agency (then National Public Health Institute) in its report Sex, health and wellness, from 2012 to sexual well-being, according to the World Health Organization , is part of the definition of a good health.
Sexual wellbeing is thus an important factor in our lives, in all cases, something that has a major impact on how we perceive our everyday lives. Therefore, we will talk about all the glands woman has in her abdomen so we understand how wet it must be for it not to be equated with a limp dick.
Have you for example heard of the prostate glands like the vulvans urethra? Without a proper sex education one turns to porn when you want to know how sex should be.
And yes, we should have the full examination on this, with the ability to get everything from A to F in the ratings. Without approval, you may not have sex. I could just as well have been able to propose an increase in the wealth tax or any other so-called "mad controlling«. But so far, I will not go, instead I suggest a solution to reduce the number of fractured (mostly girls) anus.
A driving license for lying [as in sex] should be of exactly the same reason that people with firearms license lock their weapons so the children do not access them.
Will their freedom to bear arms may be limited, then their freedom to go bananas with their sexual incompetence be. There is a risk of at least as much damage. It bleeds just do not, necessarily.
Klara Larsson , Laboremus and SSU Uppland district board
Emma acts in movies that are designed to sexually titillate men,
and she does so in exchange for money.
What does that tell you about their attitude towards men, and to the women that desire them?
Not every woman wants a slave begging them permission to touch their bodies throughout the sexual act. Most women have no problem with sharing a drink with their man. And some women will always feel frustrated if they can't be allowed to be submissive to a man.
Feminism as a movement just cannot cope with those women, and hurts them as collateral damage in their war on men.
BDSM and sex-work are something that lesbians pursue as well(source)
When Feminists have her lover arrested, how do you think she will feel? Do they really know better than her how to live her life?
(source: unknown)
Update10th April 2016:
Feminists criminalise sexwork, then claim the evil GamerGate must have done it. And it ate their homework as well.
And what do real members of that hashtag say?
"There's nothing wrong with being an escort. If Alison Rapp wants to make $250 an hour plus through sexual services, that's her choice. I'm not going to, and neither should you, make this about the fact that she was an escort."
I have to wonder - do you think Feminists will be calling for the arrests of the women hiring strippers (and then fucking them)? Of course not!
(Note: I've heard stories about hen's nights since I was a kid, from women, and I seriously would never want a relationship with a woman who wanted one - the worst was a bride who caught herpes from the stripper, then gave it to the groom, then divorced him and got everything. :P
Well, the only acceptable yes to a feminist is a verbalised one - pronounced before any shift in position or activity. To any non-feminist, non-verbal communication is an option. If someone's mouth has been applied to your genitals, you don't need to ask if you can reciprocate.
Feminists claim only verbal consent counts - I can only presume good feminists never have the body parts of their lovers in their mouths - which may well be the case as that would be giving pleasure to a male, which is clearly antifeminist.
Even if the lover had recorded the entire event with witnesses and the required number of consent questions had been asked at the required intervals, and every yes had been signed off on by a Justice of the Peace - it doesn't matter.
In court, she can always claim he gave her a 'look'. How can he prove otherwise. He's presumed guilty, not innocent.
3) Oh. Feminists are still going on about Blurred Lines. Really.
Being in a relationship is implied consent for everyone who is not a feminist.
And I understand, I really do, that feminists view as sex with men as 'problematic' as best; men are hideous rape-monsters, but sometimes a feminist gets an embarrassing itch and needs someone else to scratch it.
The rest of humanity is quite happy to explore this thing we call 'trust'. In means, for example, my lover can go down on me, or vice versa, without waking me up, and if i don't like it, I express that, verbally or otherwise. I don't wait until I'm satisfied, then when my lover ends the relationship, give the cops a quick call to ruin their lives.
Oh right, the cops would never act on my complaint; I'm male. But if I was a female with a male lover, I could do that; it's not like evidence is required now.
But Feminists want their rules to apply to everyone.
Wouldn't it be fairer to simply have feminist relationships, and non-feminist relationships? In the sane variety, we could carry on, having sex without your rules. Meanwhile, any male who enters your space could simply and humanely be shot in the head, thus saving time and paperwork.
5) If someone changes their mind - but doesn't make it clear - then they are responsible. Men do not have telepathy. Feminists might want to imprison men for not being supernaturally equipped, but sane people prefer to let humans obey the laws of physics.
6) "She said yes to a drink, not to sex"
So she had one drink and passed out? Impressive. Was it soft drink? Is she narcoleptic? I will agree that any feminist who is so feeble should never have sex, or interact with men in any way.
It's already illegal to screw someone who is unconscious due to drinking, and there's not a lot of guys who aren't aware of that. But that's not what the Feminists are after, is it? They want to claim that any woman who has touched the Devil's Brew can no longer make any decisions - unlike a man.
Really, Feminists think men are unaware of that. Everywhere in the non-feminist world, men will go up to women, throw them down and have their way, and go on, without any thought that might not be socially acceptable.
Of course, feminists re-define coercion on the fly, so they might well decide that saying "would you like to sleep with me" now counts - in the same way they defined cat-calling as anything from "hello" to "have a nice day" if spoken by a man to a women - when the man is considered unattractive by that woman, of course.
8) Alcohol is no excuse.. hmm, might want to tell your other feminists that. It's not our side that is claiming women are unable to consent if they have swallowed any booze.
9) Consent is beautiful? No, it's an ugly bag of pus, thanks to feminists.
10 ) "Love softly"? That's gibberish. A good summary of Feminism; something that sounds like it might mean something, but doesn't.
Consent may be withdrawn by any party at any time.
Sounds reasonable, doesn't it? In BDSM, that means a safe word or activity; three taps, for example, usually repeated like morse code.
"Recognizing the dynamic nature of sexual activity, individuals choosing to engage in sexual activity must evaluate consent in an ongoing manner and communicate clearly throughout all stages of sexual activity. "
How do you communicate clearly at all stages?
May I thrust? May I thrust? May I thrust? May I thrust?May I thrust? May I thrust? May I thrust?May I thrust? May I thrust? May I thrust?May I thrust? May I thrust? May I thrust?May I thrust? May I thrust? May I thrust? How many times can you say that?
dAnd of course, since the purpose of sex is to enter an irrational state (i.e. orgasm!), at some point you can either stop talking or stop feeling.
Of course the point is that everyone will break the rules - but then they can pick and choose who to punish. And from the experience with the courts, which group do you think will be most selected?
"Withdrawal of consent can be an expressed “no” or can be based on an outward demonstration that conveys that an individual is hesitant, confused, uncertain or is no longer a mutual participant. "
"Outward demonstration"? Well, that seems critical! A young man's life hinges on the 'outward demonstration'!
So is it defined? Of course not! That might mean anything at all; she might tense up because she's having an orgasm, or because she's now feeling uncomfortable - you, as someone without telepathy, just don't know.
So the only way to pass this test is never to take it; remain celibate.
And remember; if you do masturbate, as a male, you are likely to use porn instead of a vibrator like females do - and that means feminists can and will shame you and even criminalise you for doing so!
“Let’s say a woman is trying to be seductive. What the hell makes you think you’re the one she’s trying to seduce? And if you aren’t, what the hell makes you think you have any right to shove yourself into her business?
Your thoughts are your own: you are free to notice her, think about her, fantasize, etc.–you are not free to involve her, through actions or words that disclose what’s going on in your pants, unless she specifically consents and makes it clear.
It astonishes me to no end that men have a problem with this. A lot of guys wouldn’t appreciate being hit on by someone they’re not interested in–but they expect women to accept it.”
Let’s say every person in the world believes this. Let’s say one of those people, a woman, is trying to be seductive. None of the men or women around her can be sure who she’s trying to seduce, so none of them approach her.
Eventually she decides that she will just have to approach the man she’s trying to seduce. She does, and she starts to flirt with him.
He is outraged. “How dare you approach me?! Does it look like I’m trying to seduce you?! I’m just trying to have a beer with some friends!” He looks her up and down. “I might have been interested in you, if you hadn’t actually approached me and made it clear that your were interested in me! Get away from me you pervert!”
All of the man’s friends echo his sentiments, and a security guard, noticing the hubbub, swiftly removes the seductive woman from the premises. “If you’re going to incite disorderly behaviour with such inappropriate sexual innuendo, you’re not welcome here.”
All across the world men and women alike are having similar experiences to the seductive woman. Sex is extremely rare, but everybody wanks a lot while having fantasies about each other. Politicians are panicking because reproduction has all but ceased, and birth rates are plummeting. Eventually, the human race becomes extinct.
In the last moments of her life, the last human alive thinks to herself, probably in Chinese, “why did feminists have to be offended by ordinary human social interactions?”
It's not like feminists are throwing people into gas chambers!
But.. have a look at this argument.
The Nazis were around well before the heavy-duty violence and the gas chambers. And for quite some time they operated in a manner that paralleled in many ways the more recent activities of feminists.
(By making) this comparison, it brings to the attention of people the kind of forces that gave rise to Nazism and it makes them understand a little better the horribleness of discrimination and demonisation.
Both feminism and Nazism have
discriminated against individuals on the basis of their genetic code
promoted the view that the targeted group was inferior genetically and behaviourally
promoted propaganda that led to the targeted group being labelled as ‘parasites’
promoted propaganda that led to the targeted group being constantly ridiculed
promoted propaganda that led to the targeted group being laughed at even when mutilated
demonised the target group by labelling them as perverts and sexual criminals
sought to break the target group away from their families
promoted the view that the targeted group was responsible for most of the major ills in society
disseminated lies and disinformation about the targeted group in order to further promote their own ideology
disseminated lies and disinformation about historical matters
used intimidation, threats and coercion to prevent their opponents from speaking out
promoted the lie that the privileged group consisted of innocent ‘victims’ of the targeted group
demanded special privileges in the workplace for members of the privileged group e.g. preferential job placements for women
discriminated against the targeted group in educational matters and in the workplace
perverted the justice system so that members of the targeted group were easily discriminated against in the law e.g. in family courts
arranged matters so that accusers from the privileged group could be shielded by anonymity in the courtroom e.g. in sex-assault cases.
arranged matters so that defendants from the targeted group had to ‘prove’ their innocence e.g. in sex-assault and domestic violence cases
arranged matters so that members of the privileged group could capriciously define what, legally, was to be deemed ‘a crime’, e.g. where nowadays the ‘feelings’ of women rather than the behaviours of men are the determinants of what constitutes ‘a crime’
arranged matters so that members of the privileged group could capriciously define how the law was to view certain matters e.g. a fetus inside a woman can now be deemed by her - at her whim - to be a worthless piece of tissue or a prospective baby - with all the ramifications of this - regardless of how the father might feel about it all (also sexual harassment, etc.)
arranged matters so that the law punished members of the targeted group more severely than members of the privileged group for the very same crime e.g. in domestic violence and murder cases.
arranged matters so that members of the targeted group were made responsible for the choices and behaviours of members of the privileged group e.g. in paternity fraud cases where duped fathers still have to pay child support
arranged matters so that members of the privileged group who harmed, or even murdered, members of the targeted group were shown undue leniency - and were often actually applauded for their actions
arranged matters so that the law punished members of the targeted group severely for even trivial offences, e.g. domestic violence, sexual harassment
arranged matters so that members of the privileged group earned a right to the property of members of the targeted group for no other reason than that they were members of the privileged group e.g. alimony, child custody.
arranged matters so that certain speech or attitudes directed against the privileged group were criminalised e.g. biased ‘hate speech’ laws.
punished those who protested against the prevailing ideology; e.g. for being politically-incorrect.
effectively controlled the mainstream media and the academic institutions and arranged for them to present a dishonest and dishonourable point of view in support of their ideology
consistently highlighted and exaggerated the achievements and the suffering of the privileged group while downplaying the achievements and the suffering of the targeted group
ran government-funded educational courses in universities (e.g. Women’s Studies, Title IX) and in schools to promote the privileged group at the expense of the targeted group.
persisted in a long term campaign of hatred toward the targeted group, e.g. “A women needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” “Men think about sex every 15 seconds.”
Bar the heavy violence and the gas chambers - which came towards the end of the Nazis hold on power - feminism and early Nazism are rather similar.
And with regards to the Gas Chambers... Have you ever noticed how popular The Female Man is, even now, still getting new editions out, still preaching the extermination of all men, nary a critical word from Feminists anywhere... a book that, if you substitute 'Jew' for 'Man', would perfectly fit into Hitler's Final Solution?
Imagine Albert, Ethan and Anton are your three, much loved sons, and Janet is your daughter, that you raised with your husband Bill .
You have taught them to be good, to respect women, and they never say anything that isn't correct or do anything that isn't correct. They attend the rallies as allies, they applaud at the slutwalks and look forward to earning less relatively than their fathers did.
They leave, and travel the world.
Albert, at 16, goes to India. There, a woman decides to take him without his consent. Albert is shattered, he can't believe a woman would betray him like that, he's been so good.. he goes to the cops, who laugh at him. She didn't break the law.
Ethan, who hasn't heard of Albert's fate, is in France, hanging out with his lesbian friend. She spots some cutie walking past, and points her out. Ethan sees her now, and looks... but is seen. Ethan is charged with looking intently, and imprisoned... for three years. Inside, he will be raped and brutalised. He will learn to hate women. He will take his revenge before dying.
Anton hears of their fates. Embittered, he commits crimes with Janet, who shares his every misdeed. He is sentenced to jail for decades, where he will escape by ending his life. She gets weekend detention and therapy.
Bill, in Europe, campaigns against these injustices - and is arrested for antifeminism. He should have kept quiet, known his place.
"You should have had girls", your friend says. "They're never any trouble".
Andreya: Breasts are asexual! Stop sexualising breasts! Carol: (*walking past*) Your hair looks lovely! Andreya: Thank you! Brett: So breasts aren't any more sexual than hair? Andreya: Of course they aren't, it's only men who claimed they were any different! Brett: Ok then.. your breasts look lovely! Andreya: How dare you! That's sexual harassment! Guards, arrest this fiend for sexcrime!
If breasts are just asexual, why do breasts swell during arousal? Why is it that women’s brains seem to process nipple and genital stimulation in the same way?
"stimulation of the nipple activated an area of the brain known as the genital sensory cortex. This is the same brain region activated by stimulation of the clitoris, vagina, and cervix."(source)
"As she gets more and more aroused, her breasts will swell a little and her nipples will become more prominent." (source)
